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Elsom was part of the leinster "team" not a one man band, yes he did bring something to Leinster that "Cheika" new was missing at 6 at that time, but that was eclipsed by Sean O' Brien who took over to see Leinster win the Heineken Cup 2 seasons later and is in another HC final, that was not down to Elsom! Maybe we should discuss what Brian O' Driscoll brought to Leinster, because prior to him Leinster were a mediocre team that actually won nothing and he's still their most important player 12 years on, but it is the "team" when it is all said and done...
Posted 08:49 15th May 2012
Not surprising news any and all clubs want success on the field and ,he hasnt delivered it if your being paid big money and have big money to spend the bosses expect results its as simple as that Also falling out with his players and coaches didnt help .Stade Francais are/ where one of the biggest clubs in europe now by their own standards they are average,alot of rebuilding to do there imo.
Posted 03:47 15th May 2012
@Billybob - don't agree that he was totally useless as our coach...he developed a mindset that is now really paying off...plus a lot of the squad came through under his leadership - Heaslip, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin to name a few...
I think Cheika saw Stade as the next big step in his career - big team, lots of cash, high profile...and instead he fell on his ass....not sure where his next destination is - maybe it is to Australia as I can't see him going anywhere else in France...
Posted 21:39 14th May 2012
@Billybob Well said. Very average coach. Can't see any reason why Munster would want him. Penney is a better man for the job, given his record of managing young teams through transition.
Posted 21:02 14th May 2012
I'm in Billybob's camp.
Cheika may have given the Leinster pack an injection on arrival, but the seasons that followed saw significantly diminishing returns. It was only his appointment of Jono Gibbes, who remains at the province still, that truly galvanised the front-eight.
For their first European success, Cheika probably came a distant fourth in terms of importance - trumped by Gibbes's influence, the returning Grand Slammers, and the best of Rocky Elsom. Recall how Leinster scraped through to the quarter finals pre-Six Nations that year with a 12-3 result at home against Edinburgh. It's also noteworthy that Jonathon Sexton, whose alleged confidence issues now tidy up column inches, was demoted to the AIL under Cheika in favour of a retired Kiwi journeyman.
While involving the man in the dismissal of Knox would be unfair, Cheika as head coach failed to replace the innovator, and Leinster's backplay evidently suffered until Schmidt's arrival. He frequently abandoned any form of meritocracy, adopting a strategy similar to Ireland's favourite 'Steady Eddie', one that saw Seán O'Brien, for one, forgotten for poorer, yet established, players. Finally, by some accounts, Michael Cheika was a bully, eschewing player welfare for a body on the pitch.
Stade Francais was definitely a litmus test for the Heineken Cup coach, with an embarrassment of riches and scarcely a limit on his acquisitions. There, he failed.
Michael Cheika will do well to find top-level employment again, and I would be thrilled that any such gambit on his credentials occurs far from Irish soil.
Posted 19:08 14th May 2012
He was a useless coach at leinster too. He had one of the biggest budgets there and one of the best squads and had in not been for Rocky Elsom who would have never won the H cup. Look at what Joe Schmidt had done and been able to do at Leinster. Really over rated as a coach.
Posted 17:15 14th May 2012
This is very sad to see. He has to take most of the plaudits for developing the winning mentality in Leinster. Certainly the Leinster forwards were a completely different animal after his coaching. Its hard to argue with the fact that they play a more expansive game now, but they learned how to grind out wins under his tutelage.
blametheref, couldn't agree more, he would have been perfect for Munster. I still think they should be happy enough to have Penney though.
Posted 16:47 14th May 2012
It was a poisoned chalice anyway, Stade even in their best days always flattered to deceive and I reckon most of the French players couldn't understand Cheika's accent anyway...Munster must be wishing they heard this news earlier as Cheika's style would suit them even more than it did Leinster's...whoever gets him will be lucky as he knows what he's about. With Stade he was always on a loser to nothing
Posted 15:34 14th May 2012
yours sincerely, Joe Schmidt and all Leinster fans.
Posted 15:15 14th May 2012
That's what you get when you chase the money cheiks.....
Posted 15:14 14th May 2012
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