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21st November 2012 11:23

England v South Africa scrum Corry Expert witness

Expert Witness: Martin Corry

In a new series of columns, Planet Rugby's James While catches up with a group former international stars to get their views on the end-of-year Tests: this week he speaks to former England skipper and the most capped British Lion in the professional era, Martin Corry.

With the second week of November's internationals completed, already some interesting results have turned the form book upside down. Australia - thrashed by France - bounce back to beat England on their own turf; Wales - at one point last year a real World Cup contender - put to the sword by two of the emerging nations. Indeed, it's been a thrilling month already and there's plenty more in store.

England's much-vaunted tempo-based game was derailed on Saturday, by an Australian side who, with openside Michael Hooper defining the collective effort, dominated close quarter exchanges and, surprising many, edged it in the scrum battle.

"Stuart Lancaster and the team have been very honest and also focused in where they believe England need to be as a team. He's building and creating an environment for international players to succeed. I know there's a good group of players there with the right character, and this is about a journey for them, where they learn and gain experience on the job'", explained Corry.

"Looking forward to the South African game, I always felt that this was England's best chance of a SH scalp this autumn, purely because, in stark contrast to the ever-inventive Aussies, we know exactly how the Boks are going to play. On that basis, we know exactly what we need to do to beat them. Australia were very streetwise on Saturday, and the interchange between Beale and Barnes at 10 and 15 is precisely what England are aspiring to achieve with Alex Goode and Toby Flood.

"Losing will be a bitter pill to swallow for England; in particular the front row will be disappointed that they could not get any superiority. The Wallabies are a very clever side and, put simply, we were out-thought at times, especially at breakdown and scrum time.

"Two years ago, South Africa came to Twickenham and absolutely battered us. We know, from that meeting alone, and what we saw in the summer, that if you match their physicality then you're half way there to beating them. Yes, the set piece will be key, and I expect Alex Corbisiero to return for Joe Marler, which will make a considerable difference, but it's the collision area where we need to compete - hitting them as hard or harder than they hit us. Do this and we're in with a very good chance."

What of England's mini-ruck game that looked so attractive against Fiji? The Australians countered this by understanding England's intentions, and led by the superb Hooper, committed numbers to counter ruck. Against South Africa, will the mini-ruck game work?

"In order to play at that level of intensity, you have to commit opposition defenders to the ruck to create space in their defence," explained the former Tigers loose forward.

"The recycle is crucial, as is the need to get in behind their tackle line, even if it's only by a metre. That creates momentum and go-forward. I believe England will select a slightly more physical side, and look to counter the Springbok power in the close exchanges.

"In terms of selection, this is not a game to throw rookies in. I think you need guys who have experienced that 'green wave of power' before. It's a horses for courses approach. So don't expect the youngsters like Launchbury to start just yet, but I'd expect Tom Wood and James Haskell to return to the matchday 23 to add bulk, with perhaps Wood to start and Haskell to bench, with Johnson (who's been impressive) being the unlucky man for this match.

"Again, the backline came in for a little criticism, but my question would be not so much about changes, but more so how do we get the best out of the likes of the talent (like Alex Goode) that we have? It's pointless allowing players to learn, then jettisoning them after they've gained the experience they needed!" added Corry.

Over in Wales, things look bleaker than for many years. A side that could claim they came within a card of a World Cup final have collapsed to a mere shadow of their former selves. Argentina beat them fairly and squarely, and their perennial bogey side, Samoa, again came to Cardiff to spoil the Welsh party. Can things get any worse for the Welshmen?

"I have to say, if you've just come off the back of two defeats at home, the last side you want to play is New Zealand. They'll expose any weakness you have. It'll be an absolutely brutal game, and if Wales end up wanting to play from broken field, as is their style, they have to realise the All Blacks relish de-constructed rugby," commented Corry.

"By saying that, Wales have engineered their own downfall through very simple mistakes. Two tries against Samoa were down to poor forward tacking and ruck 'guarding', basic functions. And sides look to match up quick men against props and that's exactly what happened. It's so fundamental it's untrue, and mistakes like that cannot occur in international rugby if you want to succeed.

"I don't believe this is down to Gatland missing, but Wales need to prove a point. It's a game where performance is as important as the result, but I cannot see anything other than a convincing NZ win."

Ireland missed a full international last week, preferring instead to lick their wounds after losing in Dublin to South Africa. They face a resurgent Argentina - a side that's clearly benefited from their inaugural season at rugby's top table, the Rugby Championship. Clashes between these two sides have produced highly entertaining and close games in recent times. Will this one be anything different?

"Ireland v Argentina always seems to be an epic battle!" said Corry.

"Although Argentina are playing a more fluent game these days, their first tactic is always to stop the opposition from playing, and this will be no different. They've got a superb pack in both tight and loose and Ireland will need to match them in every area to come out on top. Ireland need to maintain the physicality up front, but increase tempo behind and execute. You don't get many chances against the Pumas, so you need to make sure you take every point, as many sides know to their cost. Argentina are improving all the time; they know their limitations, play low risk rugby and hit hard around the forwards.

"It'll be a tough game, but it's Ireland's to lose."

Up in the north, Scotland's run of defeats continues. With their strength in the back five of the pack, many felt their best chance of success against the big boys this autumn was the South African game, but again, they were simply bullied to defeat. Some now are questioning the Scottish self-belief and coach Andy Robinson is coming under increasing pressure to retain his job.

Corry believes that the Tonga game, whilst a must-win, will be welcomed by the Scots as a fixture to right the recent wrongs.

"This is the ideal opportunity for the Scots to bounce back," said Corry.

"However, if they try to play anything other than their natural game, they'll struggle. Tonga are inventive, hit hard but are not 'traditional' in the way they play. Hits come from everywhere and all of their players are athletes. The Scots need a pragmatic approach; concentration is key. Just play your game and don't get side-tracked by what the Tongans are trying to do. Scotland need to hit their straps, get some real self belief back, but that concentration is key. And don't for one minute, take Tonga lightly. This is a proper Test match in every sense."

Corry admits that as much as the England/South Africa game has got his juices flowing, the France v Samoa game is something he'll also be taking a big interest in.

"It's a huge collision game isn't it?" he responded.

"Against Australia, the French scrum was sensational. They monstered the Wallaby pack and that was the foundation for their convincing win. I know this will have huge hits in the loose and some exciting rugby, but if France scrummage as they did against Australia, Samoa will have no platform at all from which to launch their big power plays. I suspect France will win comfortably in a physical encounter, but it'll be a hell of a game to watch!"

Comments

nzmaoriboy says...

@Gazzabok! Apologies plucking stats out of my "b@#" Wales have not beaten SA in an eternity (1999)...& Argentina's best return was the "DRAW!!" which if your Australian is classified as a win aka lost Bledisloe..STAND CORRECTED. Of all the worlds teams I would regard SA as our peers! we have the same culture of loving rugby...I just think they need a bit more daring in their coaching staff! Believe that if they were a bit more expansive it would add that EXTRA to there game...& if it doesn't work they can all was fall back on the "Seek & Destroy" mentality they have at the mo

Posted 19:31 22nd November 2012

Sasquatch says...

@Nzmaoriboy:

A lot of Bok fans agree with your sentiment. That's why it's so frustrating to watch this current crop. What we need is a Kiwi to coach the nationaal team, John Plumtree has been fantastic with the Sharks (despite two losses in two finals). I read a recent interview with him where he said his sons want to be Boks or All Blacks, in that order. I hope he considers the position in the future because there doesn't seem to be a local who can revolutionise the game here.

Posted 12:16 22nd November 2012

Trinats2 says...

BokAvenger:

Are you saying Boks are all meat heads ?

You can't tarnish them all like that, I know 4 that are level headed !!!

Posted 12:01 22nd November 2012

gazzabok says...

@nzmaoriboy - can you please tell me when in "Recent times" SA has lost to Argentina or Wales?

Posted 10:39 22nd November 2012

nzmaoriboy says...

@Bokavenger! I agreed with you bro..There is no point us (AB's) aiming to be more physical..I think we adopt the "WEATHER THE STORM" approach & see what shape we are in there after..ha ha..I think SA would be more unpredictable if they find that blend of power & flair..Like watching the Cheetahs & the sharks this year..they played some pretty awesome attacking rugby this year! Couple that with a bulls/stormers forward pack..could be deadly

Posted 09:27 22nd November 2012

StunTheMullet says...

@ BokAvenger - Find myself agreeing with you and therein lies the Boks main problem (bit like the White I mean Plum Knights) - trying to be physically dominant and run over people rather than around them and/or into gaps.

Plus of course staying with the tiresome 5 year old kick and hope game plan doesn't help.

Can the mindset be changed though (unlikely with Heyneke at the helm)?

Posted 09:19 22nd November 2012

Trinats2 says...

Excuse me Mr. Corry, (maybe you exceeded your character Count !!) Australia are also palying a test this week, how do you see this game unfold ???

If you didn't write how they got trashed or how lucky they were against England you would have fit it in !!!

Posted 06:58 22nd November 2012

BokAvenger says...

NZ maori and co: you clowns miss my point. What I'm saying is that Boks are seldom beaten physically although they are often matched. My point is that if one looks at the ABs success against SA, it has nothing to do with being more physically dominant than the boks but rather more skillful, more use of the pitch by playing 15 man rugby and most importantly, astute tactical play.

Posted 06:10 22nd November 2012

nzmaoriboy says...

@bokavenger- Interesting take..At what point do you think players might decide that winning games may be preferable to being physically dominant? Not putting the boot in mate just posing the question. I think your return against the AB's over the last 12 years is 9 wins 22 losses?? for sure you have dominated a lot of these matches too..Is that enough..In Recent times you have also lost to England/Ireland/Scotland/Wales/Argentina, S Africa definitely have the players to play a more expansive game..& when they do they will beat the All blacks more

Posted 20:37 21st November 2012

swells07 says...

loved this article! can't wait for the last weekend of tests...there are going to be some crackers this weekend!

Posted 20:28 21st November 2012

BokAvenger says...

@froggy: I couldn't agree more. I think Boks rely too much on their physicality and ABs have worked out how to counter it

Posted 20:00 21st November 2012

ruckingkiwi says...

BokAvenger, the Boks are dominated all the time but you keep believing that and we'll be happy to keep on handing you your asssses. Real smart.

Posted 19:34 21st November 2012

NHsaints says...

Again nice column, I have to say though I'd still have my money on SA, they're there for the taking as Australia were (even right up to the last 5 minutes) but whether we take them or not is a different matter...

Posted 19:17 21st November 2012

froggy73 says...

Yes @BokAvenger, that is called playing smart rugby from the ABs against the Boks. Rugby is not only muscles, it's brain as well ;-)

Posted 14:53 21st November 2012

BokAvenger says...

Complete codswallop. I can count on two fingers the amount of times SA has been physically dominated by the opposition. Achieving parity is one thing, beating them physically is another. The reason the ABs are so successful against SA is because they keep the ball away from their forwards and run at them. They don't even bother getting into a wrestling contest

Posted 13:13 21st November 2012

APV1 says...

Another good column - insightful and accurate.

With regards to the quick ball from the breakdown, England (and others) have been masters at doing the opposite. I was watching a doco on Lawrence Dellaglio last night and there was some footage of the 2003 RWC final and Daws' final pass. He slowed it right down and dummied the pass to get the Aussies on the back foot. That gave JW an extra fraction of a second to take the kick and the rest, as they say, is history (the Anniversary Party is a couple of days away...).

But this doesn't work any more. Look at how NZ play the ruck. One man secures the ball, two support and the next in passes it out. It doesn't matter who it is or what position they play. It speeds up the distribution and, although a 9's passes are usually crisper and more accurate, most top rugby players can chuck the ball a few feet. It keeps the momentum going and eventually creates space and / or overlaps.

With Goode acting as SH we were a little more frenetic and the passing was a little more sloppy. But it was quick. This is what we need to do. get the ball away from the breakdown and the next phase going as soon as possible. I dont care whether you play 1, 3, 15 or whatever, get the ball out. This, of course, needs the support runners to be expecting it and have their hands ready, heads up and eyes open.

C'mon England!

Posted 12:01 21st November 2012

daibok says...

Very incisive all round and bang on about knowing what to expect from the Boks as opposed to the Aussies. More please.

Posted 12:01 21st November 2012

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