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Posted 10:26 22nd June 2012
@All - please note jonesy2 is not an Australian, he's a Kiwi. We will not be tarnished by his ranting and raving. Ignore him.
Posted 23:48 21st June 2012
rugby_rockstar: are you PdV by any chance? Rambling steam of consciousness!
@jonesy2: so by your logic Wales too have stopped learning how to win!
Posted 16:04 21st June 2012
Very well said both of you,i to would have prefered the SA Barbarains to have been made up of S15 players rather than Currie cup,lets face it England in the midwek games where in a no win situation really .If they lost disater and if they didnt put 100+ points on them people saying not a good showing ect..
As to Jonsey2 ,i have to admit ,he got under my skin once aswell,now i just laugh at his posts.Come the RC later this year ,his in for a big shock i feel.Both the ABs and SA have played outstanding rugby so far this summer,and overall look alot better than Australia even with the return of QC,KB andJOC.The Saffas will just run over them .and after the refering debarcle in the RWC .Pocock wont be allowed to get away with much.While if the ABs play anything like they did in the 1st test against Ireland,well no one can live with them in that form,Australia are looking at 3rd at best in the RC,and i feel a full strength Argentina will push them hard for that .Disagree all you like Jonsey2 ,but atm thats the cold hard truth.
Posted 15:10 21st June 2012
rugby_rockstar is English? Oh jeeze. Please, please accept those fans of all other nations, he isn't with us!
Posted 14:35 21st June 2012
@jonesy2 - I love it, England fans are arrogant when we expect our team to win all the time, or we have no ambition if we accept that there's a learning curve. You change your mind more often than you change your undercrackers I'd wager.
@rugby_rockstar - lay off the drugs, they're really not doing you any favours. As for insulting season ticket holders, you're exactly the sort of fickle and vacuous twerp that English rugby doesn't need; standing by your team through thick and thin is what all sports are about. Yes, sometimes what we get to watch is utter tripe (a bit like your post), but we bellyache down the pub to our mates and turn up for the next game to SUPPORT our teams. I'm sure I recall you being a Harlequins fan...figures. You're the rugby equivalent of Manchester United fans; prawn sandwich-eating, middle-class morons.
Posted 13:10 21st June 2012
@ rugby_rockstar - Oh dear, another one. An England rugby hater. What makes you so bitter? That is just a rant with very little accuracy and is a bit silly really. I suppose you think that there is only one team on the planet that can play rugby and that is South Africa. Well, a brand new young England side got to within 10 points of this SA side on their home soil. Why not just see how things go before opening up the ignorant mouth. You and jonesy2 are probably mates and make a good pair.
Posted 12:59 21st June 2012
@jonesy2 ok so by your figuring unless a team wins all it's games it doesn't learn, when surely by that model of learning they would never lose and would hence never need to learn to improve...teams do learn by losing...just look at SA, England and Nz in the pro era...all these teams learnt by losing before going on to win the world cup England to France and Ireland in the 6 nations, SA to Australia, Nz and England and Nz to France in 2009 and the Wallabies in 2010/11.
Posted 12:30 21st June 2012
rugby_rockstar- Where the hell did all that come from! Or where the hell do you come from more to the point. You don't sound like an England fan to me! How many times in the past have England been accused of playing a purely physical, fowards dominated game? This has been thrown at England as recently as our win over Ireland in the 6N THIS year. Yet according to you England have no physicallity, play Wallabie rugby, and constantly bang on about how fast our wingers are! lol. Dunno where you got any of that from?? I too would like the quality of the Prem to improve, but by 300%?? I don't think so. We'd have the best teams in the world by a country mile if we did that. As for England themselves- been in the World Cup final twice in the last 9 years and won the 6N twice in the same period. Admittedly we should win the 6N more often, but Ireland have won it only once in the same period with a so called golden age of players! We also came second this year with a team half made up of debutants! It shows breathtaking arogance and disrespect to the other teams involved to just expect to win everything all the time. Personally i think we've held our own in SA with the vast majority of our players never having toured before, especially to a place like SA. So just stop your whining because things aren't anywhere near as bad as you're making out. Oh and by the way, the phrase is 'Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted' not 'the horse has escaped long before the door is bolted'! Lol. You dumb sap!
Posted 11:20 21st June 2012
Agree treating the EPS and Saxons more as Club England is much better than having 2 separate tours
Disagree that midweek sides playing Barbarian teams drawn from outside of the local franchise first teams is better than a full blooded match against a nother nations A side.
Personally, I would like to have seen the midweek side play the Bulls or the Sharks so that, at the very least, they get game time against an organised opposition. Even if the opposition may be shorn of its test players
@rugby_rockstar - do feel better now?
Posted 11:02 21st June 2012
jonesy2 - Here you go again. Why do you talk such utter sh*te. What do you know? Were you there? Have you even played the game? If you had, you would know the value of tours such as this, especially for such a young and experienced side. The England team are pretty much brand new and most of them have made their debuts this year. We have a new coach that wants to see a group of players, coach them and bring them on. Aspiring players can see the country's best and know what they need to do to get better as well as experience of working with each other. The senior players will know what is expected of them in the toughest of environments and where the standard needs to be. These tours are invaluable for players. Add to the fact that this new side has come within 10 points of an experienced SA side playing in their own back yard and at altitude. I think, all things considered, they have actually done well. Yes, it is all about winning eventually but you have to start somewhere and pitch yourselves. Any person that has played the game will understand that. Why do you bother posting when you talk cr*p? I've seen your posts and even you fellow countrymen get embarrassed. I understand you hate England and so be it but please come back to me with a well thought out response and let's talk rugby in a grown up way. I mean it, please discuss, properly.
Posted 10:48 21st June 2012
must be a slow news day in the rugby world
Posted 10:39 21st June 2012
I hope you're not Welsh. If you are you're an embarrassment to all Welsh rugby fans for your trolling
Posted 10:01 21st June 2012
The springboks are one of the best teams on the planet today and NZ will have their work cut out taking them on in SA. BUT! our aggression and defense are a joke.
It wouldn't surprise me if england signed off the tour with a brave effort, but they do that at the end of most competitions / tours but the rubbish they've served up prior to that means the horse has escaped long before the door is bolted. A backlash on saturday won't impress me in the slightest because they NEVER build on it. come november it'll be the same old drivel.
You can also bet your life that the goldfish brigade will be harping on about scoring tries and playing wallabie rugby come november and the achillies heel of england rugby - the physicality - will be forgotten about in preference to mooning over how quick Jonny May is or how good ashton's try was from November 2010!!!
There is no intelligence surrounding english rugby, its like being forced to watch an episode of the Bratz cartoon full of shallow sparkly vacuous bubbles the go pop as soon as a SA, NZ or Irish backrower runs through them. Pathetic. And it won't get any better until the quality of the Aviva Premiereship is raised by about 300% its that rubbish. Just look at the european cup and sheild results to see how god awful english rugby is right now. emhlish fans who buy season tickets are the biggest mugs alive. and nothing will chance if you lot keep paying these jokers to churn out glorifiled rugby cow pats. Cheers for the money you dumb saps!
Posted 09:57 21st June 2012
Bring back old school tours is what I say. Mid week games are fantastic. It gives you an insight into who can play at the top level. I hope the Sh teams will play midweek games in the Autumn internationals. Its great for developing players. Gives them a taste of what is to come.
Posted 09:08 21st June 2012
if i was an england supporter i would be so upset at these attitudes. no great sporting teams should do this so even if england become decent in a given length of time for a given period of time they still wont be a great rugby team
Posted 07:07 21st June 2012
no they wont. you dont learn to win by losing. england will get nothing out of this tour.
Posted 07:05 21st June 2012
There speaks a coach who knows what his doing imo,finding and moulding players is a big part of a national coaches job.The fringe players will have gotten alot out of it as well .Knowing what the coaches are looking for ,and how they personnally can become better, and fit into the style the coaches want to employ
Posted 20:19 20th June 2012
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