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@ gazzabok - one of the few good things to come out of the result...
Your donation to The Wooden Spoon.
@ Chopper - you're probably right about the stats, although the Boks were bigger.
Posted 12:02 18th June 2012
Annother good article ,by raging bull ,and yes the extra bulk in the english subs will help offset the SA power game .As to the midweek matches ,also agree ,the players have impressed overall.Both games really you would expect England to win hamesomely ,and all though struggled a bit at times in the 1st game(midweek) where always in control .So not a to bad a showing for their 1st game.I do however expect improvment,and a more commanding performance for the 2nd .Also i think posters have the pack wieghts wrong SA pack is clearly hevier and bigger ,and was 912kg to Englands 889kg i beleive
Posted 16:02 17th June 2012
Phil are you deluded that the midweek team impresses immensely . The England fringe players couldn't dictate how they wanted to play against third tiers SA players ( largely back up voda com players.
I would say disappointed immensely as not mug to fall back on. If that was great play to you then you will never compete against SH teams at that standard.
Frustrating to say the least if you were a Pom supporter I would guess.
Posted 13:54 16th June 2012
When it comes to scrums size isn't everything, NZ have traditionally had lesser pack weights than most nations. Yes you need size to be effective, but I would say tecnique anbd consistancy are more improtant. Plus all round ball handling, fitness and passing skills are better than just being a big munter. Too many countries these days use their forwards to trudge from set play to set play would like to see more variety. Aussie and England are a good example of this.
Posted 11:44 16th June 2012
Substitutions can make a HUGE difference. Phil is absolutely right in his comments about the impact Strauss and Oosthuizen made when they came on. But I still think (and this is coming from an SA supporter) that England have a very powerful pack. For some reason they are not getting the recognition they really deserve. They're also very mobile around the field. I was very, very impressed with the way they competed at the break downs. It's something that I hope the Boks worked on during this week, because this is one of the areas where England definately performed better in the first test.
Posted 20:28 15th June 2012
Nah Phil was referring to the monsterous form of alberts, Frankenstein and terminator love child!
Posted 20:26 15th June 2012
Nice column for england.
Would be good to have one for SA. Preferably not a South African forward though :D
Posted 16:40 15th June 2012
It is easier for him to talk about bulk and in change praise the qualities of the bulky adopted English like Tuilagi and Waldrom. The english can adopt an entire pacific nations squad and they`ll not beat SA. Because the boks are not fat or bulky they are muscular. So much more work in the gym and on the field if the poms want a victory against the likes of SA or NZ.The boks will win but hardly and not because of the English but because of their outdated game plan. Mr Meyer please have to guts to try running rugby not just kicks and banging at the opposite defensive.
Posted 15:20 15th June 2012
Sorry but I think you'll find most of the Springbok weights were incorrect when they were listed live on TV. With the exception of Willem Alberts who was listed 1kg heavier at 120kg's, but most of them were off.
The worst case was JP Pietersen who I think they listed at 85 or 86kg when he is in fact, according to the Sharks website 102kg.
I tallied up the weights listed on sarugby.co.za and the couple that weren't listed there from their respective unions and got a total of 909kg. Now I now their weights may fluctuate slightly but not by about 40kg.
I think the Springbok pack was listed in and around 860 - had a couple of pints by that stage.
I'm expect that it's debatable they got the weights of the English pack right as well.
Posted 15:12 15th June 2012
Phil was clearly referring to the 15kg defecit when mears and PDJ came on compared to the SA subs, because that's when their pack started to dominate...
Posted 14:48 15th June 2012
The English are delusional. That was't a competition once the Boks settled into the game.
Boks will win by 20+ tomorrow. If not, note this comment and I will donate 10 quid to Wooden Spoon.
Posted 13:12 15th June 2012
@APV1... Spot on, Paul DJ got munted, he's not big enough as a prop against these guys.
Posted 12:51 15th June 2012
With regards to the "extra bulk" comments, I see it as the impact the Bok bench had over ours. There's no doubt that Strauss and Oosthuizen were bigger and better than Mears and D-J. No doubt at all. They scrummaged better and were hugely influential on the result.
Lee Mears - 98kg, 5'9"
Paul D-J - 116kg, 6'2"
Coenie Oosthuizen - 127kg, 6'0"
Adriaan Strauss - 102kg, 6'1"
So we gave away 2 inches in height, but 15kg in weight!
That's the extra bulk he was referring to, as prior to the subs, the packs were more evenly matched.
Posted 11:48 15th June 2012
nice column phil. i know its form an english perspective, but nothing about the boks' efforts? dont you think you should at least say something about them?
Posted 11:27 15th June 2012
Once again, an excellent column. Real astute observations and some realistic and honest appraisals.
I'm also glad that this is still keeping him out of the commentary box..!
Posted 11:12 15th June 2012
Extra bulk!! I think you will find Englands pack are heavier than the boks so its got nothing to do with bulk. Skill and desire mor elike.
Posted 10:50 15th June 2012
Good, balanced commentary, Phil!
However what extra bulk were you referring to? England's pack outweighed South Africa's! Just goes to show that size isn't everything... ;-)
Looking forward to the game tomorrow!
Posted 10:49 15th June 2012
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