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Player ratings: Argentina

08th September 2012 11:34

Gonzalo Camacho

Camacho: Another impressive outing

New Zealand remains undefeated in the Rugby Championship after defeating a spirited Argentina 21-5 in Wellington. Now it's time for Planet Rugby to rate the players.

15 Martin Rodriguez: Incisive running saw him make more yards than any of his teammates, but he did miss a couple of tackles and shelled a straightforward kick at goal that would have put Argentina back within a point of the All Blacks. 6/10

14 Gonzalo Camacho: Another superb game for Camacho, who has impressed with every outing in this competition. Made a good break in the first half but didn't see enough of the ball in the second. 7/10

13 Marcelo Bosch: Made a brilliant try-saving tackle on Victor Vito at the end of the first half and had a great game defensively. For the most part he was able to pull off a risky but effective strategy when New Zealand tried to spread the ball wide. 7/10

12 Santiago Fernandez: Like Bosch, Fernandez was part of a clever midfield defensive effort that often left the All Blacks frustrated. Had a couple of slick runs with ball in hand as well. 7/10

11 Horacio Agulla: Had a fairly quiet night out on the wing, but was solid when he was called upon. 5/10

10 Juan Martin Hernandez: Had a busy game defensively, but was up to the task with a really physical display - he made a memorable hit on Conrad Smith. Was solid under the high ball, and although he struggled with his up and unders in the wind, his kicking for territory was excellent. 7/10

9 Nicolas Vergallo: His box kicking was generally very good - especially given the windy conditions - and he fed runners well from the back of the breakdown. 6/10

8 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe: Much was made of the loss of Contepomi, but Argentina have found a brilliant, natural leader in Lobbe, who had another strong game. Made 13 tackles, was dependable at the line-out and competed well at the breakdown. 8/10

7 Juan Manuel Leguizamon: Withdrawn just one and a half minutes after the break. Didn't have the worst first half, but his replacement Leonardi was more effective than him. 5/10

6 Julio Farias Cabello: Was a trojan in the amount of defensive work he got through, and he kept the All Blacks honest at the breakdown. Was justifiably yellow-carded for a knock-down, but probably won't have any regrets given that he prevented a try. 6/10

5 Patricio Albacete: Part of a strong tight five that shaded the All Blacks over the course of the game. Albacete was particularly clinical at the line-out, winning every one. 7/10

4 Manuel Carizza: Less dependable at the line-out than his fellow lock, but equally strong in defence. Argentina's rolling mauls always made ground; New Zealand's never did. 6.5/10

3 Juan Figallo: Had a solid game - like all of the tight five - until he was withdrawn ten minutes into the second half. 6/10

2 Eusebio Guinazu: Immovable as a defender, but struggled with his line-out throwing at certain points as the wind made things difficult. 6/10

1 Rodrigo Roncero: The old warhorse continues to show the youngsters how it's done. Fearless tackling, strong running, a brilliant turnover and a try that contained power, persistence and technical know how. 9/10

Replacements:

17 Marcos Ayerza: Missed a couple of tackles after replacing Roncero ten minutes into the second half. 4/10

18 Juan Pablo Orlandi: Held up well in the scrum after coming on for Figallo. 6/10

19 Leonardo Senatore: Didn't play long enough to warrant a rating.

20 Tomás Leonardi: Had a strong half after replacing Leguizamon moments into the second half - made a heap of tackles, turned a ball over and generally made a nuisance of himself. 7/10

21 Martin Landajo: Didn't play long enough to warrant a rating.

22 Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino: Didn't play long enough to warrant a rating.

Comments

makemehappy says...

@PAMPA - don't worry about your English, it is much better than out Spanish. I understand what you are saying, but there will be comparisons between players, therefore their scores are invariably linked.

Posted 13:06 10th September 2012

olepete says...

This is ridiculous - Argentine don't need to be patronised.

Posted 08:28 10th September 2012

ruckingkiwi says...

I sometimes wonder whether the people at PR know anything about rugby at all.

Posted 07:59 10th September 2012

Terry_English says...

I have to agree with the general public here and your ratings are way out. I appreciate bigb6969 doing the calculations which shows you scored Argentina higher than New Zealand.

Do you even look at the stats like first to the breakdown, turnovers, metres run?

Posted 04:51 10th September 2012

PAMPA says...

makemehappy / kinsman

What i am seeing is: Roncero can be good tackling and Woodcock maybe is good in another way..and both are grey left props in the same game.. and they player markings could have the same punctuation...

sorry for my english

Posted 15:28 09th September 2012

makemehappy says...

It is a surprise to see Roncero still playing. He was crucified by Wales last year - thought he was passed it!

Spot on Kinsman (and PAMPA - think about what you're saying - it isn't rational - of course it has something to do with the other teams - would you ever see two opposing props have 10/10 - NO!!).

These ratings are daft. How any argentinian player, other than those in the front row, and Hernandez had more than 5 is hard to work out. 5/5 for defense would be generous, as would 0/5 for attack.

Posted 10:16 09th September 2012

porridge_time says...

Argentina hussled and bussled the ABs, but scoring their players higher than the winning side is over generous considering that they never actually looked like winning.

Posted 07:21 09th September 2012

kinsman says...

Pampa, if that is the case I am completely surprised and would be interested in PR confirming that viewpoint. In that case, player markings could give someone 10/10 for an average (read mediocre) performance.... and that is farcical.

Dan Carter is widely considered world class, should he be being marked on a different scale to Aaron Cruden? Reid plays against Lobbe, two world class players but different rating scales?

If there is not a standard scale across teams, at least in the same match, then player rating is utterly pointless.

Posted 04:16 09th September 2012

sandal says...

Someone at PR needs to take these ratings in hand, because week in and week out they are embarrassingly anomalous. I am tired of seeing comfortable victors tally less than their well-beaten opponents.

For the benefit of readers, however, such ratings do reveal where PR's bias lies. Here it seems they are easily charmed by brave underdogs. In time, PR will realise their slip is showing and we will be deprived of this insight as they massage their ratings.

@Big6969

The margin between All Blacks and Argentina is made up entirely by the forwards. And yet the match stats tell a different story, not least on the scoreboard. We could all observe, too, that the ABs' second-half improvement was built on dominance up front, in driving play and at the breakdown.

So much for the much vaunted Argentine scrum, said to be the world's best. PR's verdict? That Tony Woodward huffed and puffed but couldn't make any impact. How jaundiced can you get?

Btw, congratulations on your accurate forecast of the margin of victory!

@Kinsman

Too true.

Posted 02:53 09th September 2012

bigb6969 says...

Puma starting Xv player rates total 98.5, All Blacks 94.

Taking into account the subs, the average score per players rated is Pumas 6.416, All Blacks 6.277

You would wonder who one by 16 points. The ratings must be done on how they play against themselves not the oppisition

Posted 20:50 08th September 2012

PAMPA says...

Kinsman

you can say that when XV of the Week come...Player ratings of Argentina is only that...Player ratings from Argentina players and have nothinig to do with the rest of the teams...

Posted 18:51 08th September 2012

Kinsman says...

Seriously, whilst almost everyone is wishing Argentina well and hopes they perform in th RC, seeing these ratings score them a bunch more points in total than New Zealand player totals is a farce. This was a team that lost 21-5 and was definitely inferior for the majority of the second half...... Just because players play better than you expect them to does not mean they warrant rating higher than the team that outplayed them. False adulation will not help a team improve.

Posted 18:27 08th September 2012

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