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@lawynd - really ? I have honestly never heard that before and to be honest, I think Shaw was worth his 'weight' in gold to England. Every time I saw him play, the guy was fantastic. I think he added value in many other ways. Also, shouldn't we expect our 2nd rows to be heavy ?
@APV1, don't be too hard on Kent. I'm fairly sure he is quoting that noted rugby fan, Brian Sewell, a paragon of good taste and refined language.
Posted 12:12 16th March 2012
@JRHartley / heart_of_oak - the 'problem' with Simon Shaw was always this perception that he was too heavy to lift easily in a lineout, making it less dynamic and adaptable. I think that was what hampered him, rather than any concern that his skills were lacking.
Posted 10:46 16th March 2012
@ heart_of_oak - sorry. I got a little carried away.
@ JRHartley - injured, I'm afraid. We need him back soon though, as he is certainly one of the 2nd Rows going on the Lions Tour.
@ kent - know much about rugby, do you? Thought not. Neither are "shite" as you so delicately put it. No, neither are the best wingers in the world either. But England, as a squad and team, are developing and these two are developing as well. So who would you pick for England ahead of them? Seriously? With a fair hat on, who would be your wingers?
Posted 10:19 16th March 2012
@JRHartley, pretty sure Lawes is injured. A saints fan will no doubt know more. And yes, he is the saviour of the second row, at least for England. My Lions 2nd row would be Lawes and Richie Gray, though I do admire Paul O'Connell. And yes, Simon Shaw was one of the best ever second rows - a great player, badly used by SCW.
Posted 09:26 16th March 2012
This may be off the thread a bit, but I was lead to believe Courtney Lawes was the saviour of the second row when it came to international rugby. He's not even on the bench. Is this because he is injured or another reason? Before someone answers this I should state I know nothing of the details of what those people do in the second row but I do remember Clive Woodward not picking Simon Shaw for ages who was clearly one of the best international forwards going. Has Lawes phoned Lancaster and told him that he┐s a tool for picking ┐Tim Rodber┐ in the second row so to say?
Posted 00:06 16th March 2012
Jontheref, so you wish to debate the nationality of the touch judge ? We were doing that in a very mature way on another thread until APV1 overstepped the mark. Shocking behaviour that APV1.
Regarding wingers, we don't seem to have any wingers who combine good defence with good attack skills at the moment. Sharples is quick but his defence is suspect. Ashton isn't much better. Strettle is a clever runner but his defence is also not the best.
In the dim and distant past when I played on the wing, I remember our rugby coach wacking us with a plimsole if we missed a tackle. May I suggest that coaches adopt a similar approach too ? Perhaps we could see the likes of Richard Cockerill brandishing a cat and nine tails at training sessions.
On a more serious note, I would expect Ashton's defence to come under close scrutiny at Saracens. They seem to be very clued up on defence there.
Posted 18:58 15th March 2012
Owens, Garces and Paterson.
How can paterson run touch on an Irish game?
he is northern Irish!
Posted 15:14 15th March 2012
Shame for Sharples, but I too am glad that the mainstay of the team is the same.
Posted 14:39 15th March 2012
There's little to choose between Sharples and Strettle, although Sharples has the edge when it comes to outright speed. However Sharples defence although not poor was not the best. Fine first game nerves and trying too hard comes into it, but for Ireland it was the right decision.
Posted 12:10 15th March 2012
Good. It is a shame that Strettle was injured so much after breaking into England, in those days he seemed a more mercurial runner than now. He had an almost Jason Robinson quality in that people struggled to lay a finger on him, but he was never fit for long.
Sharples cost us a try and nearly another one last weekend, great prospect yes, but I thought he looked like a rabbit in the headlights for much of the game. Some players - like Farrell and Parling - seem to just click immediately at international level, some learn it, and some never look right however well they play for clubs. Hopefully he is not in the latter category as he has pace to spare, and that is one thing you can never have too much of, especially against SH opposition...
Posted 11:37 15th March 2012
Well done sticking with the same team SL, Strettle's recovery a bit of a shame, would have liked to have seen Sharples running the ball back against Ireland.
Lancasters' bombers (seen this elsewhere, like it!)
Posted 11:09 15th March 2012