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NHsaints... are you sure that PVD never said anything, because I can recall him being very very vocal at the time. He has also gone public with his views about Bryce Lawrence in his book, published within a year after the last world cup.
Yet Graham Henry kept his personal views out of the public domain for over eight years.
Posted 00:36 30th July 2012
As a rugby fan from NZ I am embarrased that GH has decided to dive into this.
Abs lost the game because they had no plan B, and did not have the nous to attemp a drop goal.
The rest is a referees interpretation, and often wrong.
Sometimes its in your favour, other times its not.
Posted 00:28 30th July 2012
100% in agreement with you there Terry_English.
Posted 00:26 30th July 2012
Oh and noone suspected match fixing in the world cup just gone??!?!?! Bryce Lawrence, anyone? Craig Joubert in the final?!?!?
Posted 00:21 30th July 2012
Oh dear. The team that won a number of matches with forward passes lost one, because of a forward pass. It was more like an evening out process and to the neutral observer quite amusing. But in addition NZ lost their focus and game plan. End of. Can you make good New Zealand wine with sour grapes, I don't think so. Barnes has had the odd dodgy game, but bent give me a break. Too little, too late too boring.
Posted 23:46 29th July 2012
Please note, Graham Henry speaks for Graham Henry, not all NZ.
Posted 23:37 29th July 2012
@conradmurray - the difference between other match-fixing scandals and these slanderous comments is that little thing called evidence. Barnes had a shocker but he's not the first referee to do so, and he won't be the last. Those AB fans feeling sore about 2007 (build a bridge and get over it chaps!) might do well to recall that pretty much the rest of the rugby world felt that France received a raw deal from Craig Joubert in the 2011 edition; none of us, including the French, have accused him of match-fixing, however.
Posted 23:15 29th July 2012
This is absolutely disgraceful, has the man never watched a rugby match - 40 penalty infringements??????? of course there are its a complex sport, the referee is trained not only to judge whether an infringement has occurred but also to judge whether it has a material impact on the play otherwise the match would never get going. Also, having considered the fact that New Zealanders pride themselves in a captain who seems able to get away with murder on the pitch, is it not unreasonable to imagine that having the benefit of hi-motion action replays and a team of video analysts (lets not forget that he was trying to save his job at the time) you might spot more than the ref.
I think that this outburst of sour grapes does Henry no credit at all and, if I was going to defame a referee, I would probably not pick on a qualified barrister.
Posted 22:52 29th July 2012
Now lets see how we can sell some books??? What can we say that will be controversial???
Posted 21:56 29th July 2012
Well do you have to wonder how one team who is on defence for most of a match doesn't concede a penalty for 50 mintes.
Plus throw in a dodgy sin bin and forward pass that the entire stadium saw.
Then there is the question why a novice out of his depth referee was awarded his first big match in a RWC QF between France and the ABs.
Posted 21:54 29th July 2012
I have two ideas, one serious and one not.
The first one is that NZ commit so many professional fouls that a referee could well get frustrated about it. McAllister professional obstruction in the first half was dirty and unnecessary and could influence the attitude of a referee.
The second one. C'mon look at that ridiculous shirt, how can you be taken seriously with such shity Robin's outfit?
Posted 21:36 29th July 2012
I haven't heard one person in NZ agree with what GH has done but that is his call and he will have to live with it, but the process he went through to come to this conclusion probably justified him keeping his job. I guess now he is being honest and clearing his chest, credit to him for that. I'm sure many coaches, players and officials have suspected the same behind closed doors, he has had the balls to say something. As for poor losers jibes, GH actually won the world's top fair play award, the Pierre de Coubertin trophy, following his actions to the French team immediately after that match.. he may not be everyones favourite but I prefer his dry honesty to the drivvel served up by the South Africans, players, fans, officials, ex-refs and everyone after they were knocked out last year.
Posted 21:31 29th July 2012
Carpelone suspected match-fixing in RWC 2011.
A biography of Carpelone reveals he suspected match-fixing after his team's shock loss to Australia in the 2011 RWC.
Posted 21:11 29th July 2012
Wow so many people getting their panties in a twist! Shock horror this comes out a week before his book, great way to get more $$$.
On the issue however I dont blame Henry for saying this. He got absolutly destroyed by NZ when he got back in 07 after RWC and has done well to hold it in for this long.
Match fixing is a massive call though Sir Henry. I put it down to a rookie Ref handed a big match way too early, the french fronting up and selections. Mils at 13 was a mistake and its being a long time so dont know if I am correct but Evans wasn't on the bench for this game was he? When the direction of the team went on Mcallisters shoulders thats when it fell apart.
Posted 21:01 29th July 2012
This should be taken as it is. A way to sell some books.
I thought we had moved on, obviously not :(.
Posted 20:57 29th July 2012
Whether he's right or wrong, why say this now after 5 years?
Got a book to sell Graham??
Posted 20:41 29th July 2012
ABs only ever get beaten due to cheating or dodgy ref. I thought everyone knew that?
Posted 19:52 29th July 2012
Interesting this article is subtly different to another I read:
"...New Zealand did not receive a single penalty in the last 50 minutes of the match. Henry says his final analysis suggested Barnes missed 40 penalty infringements by France.."
The other article points out that in fact France were only penalised twice in the whole match.
Please people. Stats are stats. Have you EVER watched your OWN team play and only concede two penalties in a whole match? Let alone against a ten the is wholly dominating you by 166 rucks to 42. Seriously? Defend 166 rucks and convede only two penalties.
Don't you think he might actually have a point?
Take off your easy pot shots at Kiwi's and GH and have a food think about what has been written.
And, is it so inconvievable that the match was fixed? Who were overwhelming favourites in that match. Who stood to gain most from France winning. We know about corruption in Cricket, Football, Snooker now.
Posted 19:52 29th July 2012
of course... and why wouldn't he have? Barne's performance was the worst in RWC history with an enormous impact on the eventual inner. Quite different from the B Lawrence situation where SA were outplayed by Oz but Lawrence had a liberal interpretation of the ruck rules (which SA could have adapted too).
Barnes bottled it through inexperience - he let the crowd get to him and protected the "home" team rather than penalise them for their repeated infringements.
at least in 2011 an undisputed result was seen.
Posted 19:43 29th July 2012
The biggest factor in 2007 v. France was poor team selection and notable players not fronting up when the going got tough, as they knew it would
against the French.
Not going for drop goals when in a perfect position simply put them out of their misery, and it,s probably no coincidence you now see All Black sides taking this option, and why not, it can be a winner.
At least they learned from it and went on to become double World Champions, however it could all be a ploy to wind up Stephen Jones and other rabid AB haters even more..... if so, good move GH.
Posted 19:39 29th July 2012