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I say this as a red hander, I am guessing you are an idiot!
Posted 17:12 14th June 2012
There is a glaring difference in quality between Irish players playing for Leinster, in particular, and those then playing Ireland, on many levels which aren't due to different quality opponents. I'm not sure if you're saying that isn't the case, or if you were simply saying that Ireland wouldn't be world beaters, but the difference would be quite noticeable.
Also, it is not an issue of form from what I understand but the differences in the coaching systems / coaches under which the players play.
We wouldn't be walking over the ABs on a regular basis, but we could be performing better / more consistently (not with a big performance once per year).
Posted 16:49 14th June 2012
Re Heaslip, benching him might just bring that focus back. A half charged heaslip is good enough at provincial level but as you against a Read or Parisse the gulf is stark. I said he was half the talent he was that was wrong talent stays but his application as you allude to is sadly lacking. For that reason drop him for Henry or keeping O'Mahoney or Henry. Neither is as you say the finished article but neither have had a lot of opportunity to play test rugby where they will learn and both are without doubt on an upward trajectory unlike Mr Heaslip. Trust me I am a heaslip fan, I want so much to see him barnstorming up the pitch like in 2009!
Posted 16:31 14th June 2012
I am guessing Murray starting is a political move, if the backline is all Leinster those whinging red shirts (bar the red hand) will throw the toys out of the pram.
Posted 16:16 14th June 2012
Another pointless test for Ireland? So you must think RWC seeding is irrelevant? Strange one.
From what I saw the intensity the AB's brought to their game allowed them to control the periods they needed too - 40 mins either side of halftime. I've watched a few HC games & other NH games as well and of course S15 games. The obvious has been the pace games are played at & how that is controlled.
Does anyone really believe that Ireland whoever they picked even if it was simply the Leinster team in it's entirety would play at the level the AB's play / played at. I just don't see it. Until Ireland learn to defend the intensity & pace the AB game is played at they won't be able to compete at the level required to win these games.
Another glaringly obvious is that this is a test not a knockout or even a cup match so a dont lose at all costs equation (nervousness) is not there which everyone should agree means the AB's are very very difficult to contain - that coupled with the fact that future caps (points to prove) are on the line makes for a dangerous difficult prospect
Posted 16:07 14th June 2012
I hope it rains all this talk of murray at 9 its the 8 people in front of him that can win this game the ab scrim was awfull last week against a rookie prop and irelanda line out has been made alot stronger with mcloughlan if the weather is bad and its 10 rugby which it probably is gonna be from ireland murray and trimble playing make alot more sense. PS. O mahony is crap i have seen bigger under 14 players than him so shut up about him already
Posted 15:28 14th June 2012
Norm - Marshal is on tour in NZ as the third choice 9, unfortunate though that he will not see any game time.
Also O Mahony hasn't really done very much in his recent outings to be honest, the odd turn over here or there but that's standard for any back row. He hasn't impressed. I agree with Kev Mc G getting the chance, he has done well for Leinster this year. I would agree with Heaslip getting benched, he's focusing too much on non rugby related things like his restaurant and being a pop star and has lost his core focus and what made him at one point one of the best 8's in the business. yes he's doing donkey work now but look at him V Parisse in the 6 nations, he was given a masterclass of how an 8 SHOULD play. Unfortunately we have no better options, I don't think Henry is there. Agreed Heaslip is not the threat he once was going forward but he is still solid in defense and positional play. Shame for a guy that was touted as the next Leinster and perhaps Irish captain.
Posted 15:10 14th June 2012
Absolutely spot on and a point which some of the more euphoric amongst us dont seem to get. Fact is though the confidence in the Ireland camp, from the outside at least, looks to be low and as much as it pains me to say it from that perspective the Leinster team would do no worse than Ireland did last week.
Some good some bad in my view. What on earth he is dropping OMahoney for is beyond me. If he was to drop someone from the back row it should have been Heaslip. He is a shadow of the talent he was! If this is about giving players a chance then what the hell has he dropped Cave for and kept Zebo in the match day 22! His defensive frailities and naievety were clear on Saturday.
Disappointed that Darcy is back but realistically options were limited, still would have gone for bust and seen what McFadden was made of at either 12 or 13.
I have to agree with most posters though, while around the fringes his defensive physicality is more assured than Reddans that pales in significance to the defensive pressure his woefull box kicking puts the team under time and again.
Reddan is far from a world class #9 but he does click with the Leinster back line and that has to count for something. Again we should have been building here and Marshall should have been on this tour.
A minor point, why risk aggravating Ross's injury, Fitzpatrick did alright last week and a second outing would most likely see a further step up. We gain with Ross on the field but lose if he gets shagged for the 3rd week.
Good to see he hasnt gone with DOC, this partnership needs to grow otherwise in a couple of years we have a complete dearth of tight 5 options at test level.
I'll ask again what the hell is O'Mahoney doing on the bench?
Posted 13:55 14th June 2012
but still not selection of the leinster half back pairing???? Kidney you donkey. Murray absolutely killed our attack last week, painfully slow ball and bad decision making.....how in gods name does Kidney not see what millions others around the globe do? We need pace to attack the all blacks, there are 2 far faster scrum halves on tour. When Kidneys contract runs out I will celebrate it like the birth of my own child.
Posted 13:15 14th June 2012
I am indeed a Leinster fan but that did not form the basis of my posting. Leinster are far and away the best team in Europe, playing (for the most part) a lovely style of rugby based on quick ball. Its not only Leinster fans who would like to see Ireland emulate this style but anyone who wants to see Ireland succeed. For me, and it seems for many others, Murray just doesn't fit in to that style of play. At least not at the moment.
Posted 12:15 14th June 2012
then play him at 7 and let O'Brien go to No8.
Posted 11:36 14th June 2012
So many comments repeatedly claiming that if the Irish players could bring their club form (see Leinster) to the Ireland jersey, there would be a huge difference and by implication become world beaters.
Of course what everyone seems to fail to note is that on the international stage, you are not playing against club teams. I do not suggest for a second that Leinster is not a great team however, they are absolutely not an international team and neither are they of the calibre of an international side. When you are forming a team from the best of your provinces and relying predominantly on one club side, you are on a hiding to nothing.
The South Africans now seem to be voluntarily heading this route with the Bulls despite having some fantastic players in other sides and it is my view that unless changed, this will be to the detriment of South African rugby.
If you can combine the strengths from many high performing sides, logic suggests the finished article should be that much stronger. If the Irish domestic competition was expanded and improved as opposed to consolidated into small pockets, Irish rugby would be that much stronger.
Posted 11:19 14th June 2012
I have a feeling the Irish are going to be Savea-ly beaten this week. All Blacks by 40+ points.
Posted 11:07 14th June 2012
IMO Dan Touhy is very lucky to hold onto his shirt for this weekend. Has been immense all season, but looked completely over awed last week, and was terrible. We all know he has the ability, but he needs to step up to the mark fast. I would wonder about his bottle!! I hope i'm wrong.
Posted 10:52 14th June 2012
Thank God Earls is gone...now if only Murray would take a few of his ponderous steps in the direction of the bench, we might actually have chance!!! LOL
Posted 10:51 14th June 2012
@GCP_JONES we dont have 12 Ospreys players in our side ;-). joking aside i agree with that point. Not the Heaslip one. Heaslip has had to sacrifice a lot of what made him stand out as a world class no8 for ireland to accomdate other ball carriers in the team. He does the donkey work of the backrow. A bit like the way DOC was supposed to be the one doing the 'unseen' work in the past.
Deccie nearly got things right but picked Murray again. Some day he might pick Redden......Probably with RoG though!!
Posted 10:48 14th June 2012
Murray at scrum half again?! There may as well be no back line. Kidney is officially as stupid as he looks.
Posted 10:38 14th June 2012
Ireland some how need to slow the pace of the game down and choke the AB's in the same manner in which they beat Aus in the World Cup... easier said than done.
Posted 09:58 14th June 2012
Reckon aul Deccie is feeling the pressure and is just appeasing the masses of the Irish public, however I doubt the result will be any different.. In all honesty though the forwards need to "front up" on Saturday as they were pretty much non-existent last week
Posted 09:36 14th June 2012
with style ? as in by more points than last week ?
another pointless test for Ireland and another cricket score for the ABs...
Posted 09:23 14th June 2012