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@ justice_4_all I point out again what my original post was about which was to support the Ireland bid. When it is to be may not be the year mentioned because of many factors. I had one short piece about outdated colonial thinking that because Argentina have a grievance with the UK over the Malvinas or Falklands they somehow were worse than Russia. However it seems I did touch a nerve and rather than ducking and diving as accused I believe I am consistent. Any country has the right to put in a bid and any country has the right to support that bid I just hope the So called home Countries can rise above outdated colonial thinking to back a bid based on rugby and not any argument they have with that country. I back an Ireland bid yes South Africa should run another tournament Argentina have a right to put in a bid and to accuse them of being undemocratic is a bit rich. Lets see how well the Russian elections go. Yet if they put in a bid lets consider them as well and im sure those voting will decide as they see it I hope on rugby grounds. I read and heard many comments coming out of the UK about how NZ could not run a successful RWC and would not like to see this prejudiced view being said about other countries. I support the Irish bid and do not have any feeling of being a victim or underdog but resent the assumptions you have posted about me for you know nothing about me personallye. This is not the forum to continue this argument on colonialism and the plague it has been to the world suffice to say read what I said the small reference was in reply to an untrue statement by another . The fact I have upset you and hit a nerve is beyond the point. Argentina have the right to lodge a bid I hope they will .
Posted 07:14 04th March 2012
justice_4-all my comments are based on the arbitrary colonial boundaries drawn by former colonial powers which have caused many of the world conflicts today. These boundaries drawn up to suit European Colonialists ignored local boundaries and races. As well individual islands and parts of other countries were annexed either through war and deals with others. Britain gave back Hong Kong to China Portugal Macao to China is that because they believed China to be a much stronger power than they, the UK and Portugal and were too frightened to take on the Chinese. The reason I wrote was the post that accused Argentina as not being a democratic country as opposed to Russia and as I said lets wait for the vote rigging by Putin to hit the news before we judge. Interesting that one sentence is all you can talk about in my post. Must have hit a colonialist nerve. As for Argentina being crap at rugby I note they have at times been higher in the rankings than some of the UK teams and consistently higher than Scotland all this without a regular international competition to participate in. Now they have one and a strong one at that and one which will help improve their rugby. Interesting to see all these cries coming out of the UK with this arrogant attitude that others are not fit to do this or that. Instead of encouraging others to rise to take on the challenge lets do the usual British thing of putting others down. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I refer you once again to the arguments and encouragement I gave to the whole Ireland, including the British annexed part of Ireland, to mount the tournament.
Posted 02:55 03rd March 2012
Guys this is an interesting development and it is good to see the list of possible grounds that inform those of us who do not know as much about grounds in Ireland as you the locals. However as was said in the article it depends on whether the Irish Governments are prepared to support such a move. I hope they can but it worries me as all the financial comments we hear from the Republic of Ireland are of doom and gloom including all the Irish who are moving down under in droves. As well the Northern part is somewhat reliant on Chancellor Osborne as he struggles to lift the UK out its own mire I hope that doom and gloom is paper talk. To think of a RWC in Ireland with the magnificent hospitality of the people, despite a bad experience I had in Cork, is something I, for one, would look forward to. So to all the Irish get behind the idea and support the bid in 2023. The other problem will be to convince other countries of an Ireland bid as Stellenbosched has pointed out South Africa would like to host again and maybe deserve to. 2015 England, 2019 Japan both Northern Hemisphere tournaments and maybe the Southern may wish to host leaving open the fact South Africa or Argentina could host. The last time I looked Argentina has had democratic elections and rightly or wrongly because they have stood up to the world's largest colonial power, though the word power these days is a bit of a joke, should not rule them out of the being able to host even if jontheref doesn't like them. Wonder what he will say when Putin is elected as President. lets see if there are cries of rigging lol. Lets see what develops.
Posted 15:56 27th February 2012
1 Croke Park 82,500
2 Semple Stadium 55,000
3 Lansdown road 52.00
4 McHale park 49,700
5 Gaelic Grounds 49,500
6 Páirc Uí Chaoimh 43,500
7 Fitzgerald stadium 43,000
8 St. Tiernach's Park 36,000
9 Pearse Stadium 36,000
10Kingspan Breffni Park 32,000
Most of the stadiums listed belong to the GAA but with co-operation and loan of their stadiums. The IRFU would probably split the money with the GAA and add a few seats underground heaters and mabye ad a roof over one or two of the stadiums. but they wouldn't need to do much at all .
Posted 22:14 26th February 2012
@ justice_4_all - behave! We've shown once what we'll do if our sovereign territories are invaded and don't think we won't do it again. Imagine if they invaded the Falkland Islands whilst HRH is posted there?!
Posted 12:13 24th February 2012
@Dougie touche - I thought it was widely reported in the Irish media at the time that it was too small...obviously it is not
Anyway, the rest of my comment is still valid. Disregarding the financial issue (which of course you can't and the IMF won't), we do not have sufficient stadia of sufficient capacity to host a rugby world cup in Europe. The only way Ireland could host is together with another country e.g. Wales or Scotland.
Posted 00:25 24th February 2012
Just remembered an article from a few weeks ago where the interim PM of italy said there would be no way that they'd be bidding for the 2020 Olympics due to cost. Though they would have to build a load of stuff for an Olympics, they probably wouldn't have to do much work to host a Rugby World Cup. They are in financial trouble as well at the moment, so this could be a factor if goverment assistance is needed for any reason....
Posted 15:29 22nd February 2012
Pairc Ui Chaoimh has the go ahead for being redeveloped. Also mentions that Casemont Park in Belfast is getting upgraded...
I reckon Ireland could pull this off ok. Getting the GAA on board is definitely a must..
We mightn't need 12 stadiums though. We could just have more games at a lower amount of stadiums if the logistics worked out ok...
Posted 15:18 22nd February 2012
I see where you are coming from but have you been to these stadiums? I have been to many of them during NFL and NHL games and championship games and trust me alot of them have terrible facilities for parking, traffic flow, amenities etc...It would cost a lot of money to do up these Stadiums and would cost the GAA more in the long run to maintain newer stadiums for 2 or 3 matches a year. It's not economically viable. Alot of the GAA Stadiums are very old infrastructure and services wise. I would not be so optimistic about it. Don't get me wrong I would love to see this come to fruition, and yes watching a rugby game in Fitz Stadium would be top notch with the scenery around the stadium as would seeing Rugby being brought to Tipp, Cavan, Kilkenny (Nowlan Park) etc but I don't think it is doable unless plans are put in place very soon, the Government and GAA are totally on board and ready to get on top of it from the get go
Posted 14:20 22nd February 2012
Both Ravenhill and Musgrave have planning permission to extend and up-grade. It is hoped that Ravenhill for example will have a capacity of 20,000. the matches between the tier 2 Nations for example will suite that size of venue.
McHale Park - Castlebar - about 200 metres from the train station and 25 km from Knock Airport and courtesy of Mr P Flynn's Tenure as sitting TD on one of the best roads in the country
FitzGerald Stadium - Killarney - again within walking distance of the Train station decent road system though Farranfore is only a regional airport.Also has got to be one of the nicest Stadiums/settings going anywhere.
Pearse Stadium - Galway - Ah the poor spectors would have to walk 10 minutes from Galway city centre. You don't hear people complain going to gigs or on match days.
Páirc Uí Chaoimh - Cork - I remember reading that its redevleopment will start shortly.
As lostprofit mentioned a capital spend is one option to kick start the building sector, plus lets not forget its over 10 years away.
Posted 13:41 22nd February 2012
Aviva Stadium - Dublin - 51,700 seated - No Development necessary - Location Great
Thomond Park - Limerick - 26,500 (15,100 seated) - development to increase capacity - Location Great
RDS Arena - Dublin - 18,500 (16,500 seated)- development to increase capacity - Location Great close to Aviva
Ravenhill Stadium - Belfast - 12,300 (3,000 seated) - Development necesary - Location Great
Musgrave Park - Cork - 8,000 (430 seated) - Development necesary - Location Great
Sportsgrounds - Galway - 5,000 - Development necesary - Location Great
GAA Stadiums that are capable/have staged large scale Rugby matches.
Croke Park - Dublin - 82,500 (69,500 seated) Location Great
GAA stadiums that need serious development or at least asthetic upgrading/temporary seating
Semple Stadium - Thurles - 55,000 (36,000 seated) - Location Good
McHale Park - Castlebar - 49,500 (20,000 seated) - Location Bad
Gaelic Grounds - Limerick - 49,500 (35,000 seated) - Location Great close to Thomond
FitzGerald Stadium - Killarney - 43,000 (9,000 seated) - Location not Good but great town and lovely scenery.
Casement Park - Belfast - 32,000 (8,000 seated) - Location Great
Kingspan Breffni Park -Cavan town - 32,000 (10,000 seated) - Location alright
Pearse Stadium - Galway - 36,000 (8,000 seated) - Development necesary - Location Bad as I think it's in salt hill and not very easy to access?
Páirc Uí Chaoimh - Cork - Needs serious redevelopment as Cork needs a stadium in this Tournament
Seems like a massive expenditure to even get 12 decent sized stadiums
Posted 12:31 22nd February 2012
yep, best irish joke ive heard yet
Posted 10:26 22nd February 2012
In terms of suitable GAA stadiums, then the choice is very limited. A lot of the larger GAA Stadiums need serious redevelopment, and a lot of the smaller and in better shape ones are in the middle of nowhere and impossible to get to. For instance, Fitzgerald stadium is in Killarney - not easily accessible without a lot of travel from Dublin, Galway, Cork or Limerick. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick City is a kilometre from Thomond Park and seats close to 50,000 but still needs serious redevelopment to be up to international tournament standards. Pairc Ui Chaiomh is almost falling down
Posted 10:23 22nd February 2012
You get to host if you get the votes. Promises of support in the past from host countries (NZ 2011 rather than SA). Time to call in the marker!!
Posted 10:08 22nd February 2012
curates_egg, that's interesting about Lansdowne Road not being big enough for a Heineken cup final. Somebody should tell the ERC, since it will be hosting it next season.
Posted 09:54 22nd February 2012
I hope they get it.
Argentina? I'd rather it go to Russia, as I want to go to a democratic country, that was not sabre rattling.
Do you know how big the countries are?
Even in the USA alone, the distances are more than getting there from Europe.
Maybe by 2027 Argentina will be suitably stable to be considered.
If they are still allowing co hosts, add Belgium, Germany and Holland to the Italy bid.
All good Rugby countries, and close travelling, by rail and road, in adition to air.
Posted 09:14 22nd February 2012
I would be delighted if it happened...from a stadium perspective, we are not in too bad shape - but some of them would need redevelopment...the only caveat is the availability of Croke Park in September - what with the All Ireland finals being on that month...we would still have RDS, Thomond Ravenhill and Aviva...now chuck in some of the GAA stadiums - Casement, Semple, Parc Ui Cuimh, Fitzgerald etc. - and the stadium line ups start looking pretty good..a bit of modernisation and we could put a serious bid together...
Posted 08:17 22nd February 2012
needs to be hosted by the US and let Canada host a couple games. the future of rugby is in the Americas. The US has the best infrastructure hands down. Just look at any NFL team or NCAA team and you'll see what I'm talking about. Also if the States hosted, you could have each pool in it's own region. Games from Miami to NYC to Seattle to LA and everything in between. If the IRB want the game to grow. N.America has to host, period.
Posted 03:33 22nd February 2012
Only way out of a recession is to spend!
This could be just what we need.
And imagine the pride in staging such a huge world event in our own little country?
It would do the country no end of good
Posted 02:32 22nd February 2012
There is only one venue big enough...and its not a rugby stadium! For those with short memories, Landsdowne Road has been deemed too small to host a Heineken Cup final. Disregard the fact the country is broke (if you want to) but we do not have anything close to the infrastructure. Those talking about RDS and Thomond have clearly never been to a world cup or don't know the capacity of those stadia, which are so small that even a refurbishment wouldn't bring them up to size.
Posted 21:58 21st February 2012