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APV1 says...

@ JamieTheProp - I already did.

Posted 17:07 08th June 2012

JamieTheProp says...

I'm so excited I could wee!

Young team, moving forward, new selections and playing against a quality rugby nation in their back yard - awesome!

Posted 08:34 08th June 2012

pierredelot1 says...

Not worried about Walsh at all. Frankly the guys improved a lot whilst virtually all the others with the exception of Joubert have gone downhill. This game will require strong control as from the first set the Boks will be testing this rejigged front row and looking to take physical dominance across the park. Just thank goodness that one of the "get the scrum over quickly as I haven't a clue whats going on brigade" isn't officiating.

Posted 21:22 07th June 2012

Headhunter99 says...

Great selection - good to see SL is giving the talent a chance, so different from the Johnson era≥

I sadly will miss all of these games as Mrs Headunter has dragged me off on holiday.

I know it tempting fate but @BokAvenger is very quiet....

Posted 16:29 07th June 2012

APV1 says...

Houston_11 mention George Ford as an "almost ran". Who else do you think is unlucky not to have made the plane? For me:

Attwood

Twelvetrees

Biggs

ARMITAGE (I know..!)

Any others?

Posted 14:37 07th June 2012

ArmchairGeneral says...

No comments on the engine room? Palmers absence? Parling is same height and weight. Both 10 kg under Ezebeth. Could get bullied there and will miss Lawes height. None of them get close to Ezebeth on weight and he's been on form too. Think engine power in the drive and height in line-out could be where England struggle. Brown and Foden, quick lineouts to yourselfs please like Jason Robinson. Sir Clive has pointed this out as important for this tour and he's spot on I think.

Posted 14:30 07th June 2012

kappelange says...

I cant believe some people are complaining about Foden being on the wing.

This is a great strategic move on Lancaster's part. The Boks are going to bombard you with up and unders...its best to have atleast 2 players who are good under the high ball. Just look at the back three of the allblacks for the past three years.

Dont expect to see Wade in their side against the bokke

Posted 13:49 07th June 2012

letsgoboks says...

This is a great team for England!

You guys need to give Farrell time in his position. His decision making will get better with experience. You can see the kid has a rugby head on his shoulders.

England have the skill to beat the Boks. They just mustn't wrestle the match out. Man for man the boks can out muscle them. England have to play basic rugby and keep the ball in hand when they have it kicked to them. The boks are also a very new side. Most combinations have not played together. There are several areas that are weak on defense and you guys should target those.

All round this is going to be great - hard and bruising rugby!

Posted 13:47 07th June 2012

quietbrit says...

This is Englands Trial by fire. Given the Personnel available they this is as good a side as we can run out and I don't know if it will measure up. My big worry is that we are only going to win by letting the backline loose and Farrell has yet to demonstrate a strong Passing game - if he gets into a kicking duel with this SA team he is going to loose...

If Eng win that would be awesome.

If Eng match up physically that would be OK.

Prediction: SA to win by 6+ If they dominate the set piece (esp lineout) otherwise if the passes stick and we don't kick Eng by 1!

Posted 13:46 07th June 2012

fattysock says...

Just on the Foden thing - Cory Jane was a fullback that we shoved out on the wing, and he's turned out pretty handy.

In fact, both of the "incumbent" AB wingers aren't really wingers - Jane and Kahui. It all depends on the skill sets that a particular player has.. and I, for one, will be interested to see how Foden goes. In contrast to Jane making a successful transition, Christian Cullen never really cut it on the wing (he wasn't bad, but just no where near as good as at FB)... so you just don't know until they give it a go.

On the match as a whole, I can't decide who I want to win. As an ABs fan, I like seeing SA lose... but if this young Eng team beats SA on SA soil, I'll be a bit concerned about about just how good the Eng team is currently - and what they could grow into!

I definitely will be cheering for Wales though...

Posted 13:45 07th June 2012

Houston_11 says...

I know he wasn't picked to go to SA but I would have loved to see George Ford at 10 with Farrell at 12.

I don't really get the fuss over Barritt - I think he's average at best and probably only getting in the team because he plays with Farrell regularly. I really hope Ford gets a go in Autumn tests.

Posted 13:38 07th June 2012

youknowit says...

this is the first time ive seen a good england backline since about 1990!!

Posted 13:35 07th June 2012

Waz4before says...

I can't believe England have got Steve Walsh again .. someone at the IRB has a real sense of humor; I wonder if this will be the first game where we're not talking about Mr Walsh after the final whistle ..?

Posted 13:15 07th June 2012

hayj05 says...

Strong team for both nations then.

Should be a brutal series & I'll almost certainly be getting up at 3am (NZ time) to watch it.

Good luck to both teams.

Posted 13:12 07th June 2012

makemehappy says...

Hard to believe Care isn't first choice based on his form and the form of the other two in internationals. Must be holding his misdemeanours against him. Still not convinced by the locks. Will be interesting to see Marler test himself. I've seen him destroy and be destroyed!

Posted 13:10 07th June 2012

Dangerous says...

I'm not convinced that it's a good idea to put foden on the wing to try and use available talents. Seen it before with the all blacks moving Cullen to wing and centre. I think foden plays alot like him. Some players can play wing and fullback equally well but don't think foden is one of them. Could be wrong. I prefer seeing honestpoms take on it. Keep foden at fullback, wade on the wing, tuilagi 12 Joseph 13. That is the future of a very exciting English back line IMO.

Posted 12:53 07th June 2012

ArmchairGeneral says...

Excellent. Nice to have a coach that takes my advice completely. :-) this is exactly as I wanted except I'm not sure Manu deserves the start; but if he steps up and avoids yellow great.. I think worries of Foden on wing are misplaced. Think of it as two full backs vs a kicking team. And Farrell is the best 10 we have. It's up to the wings to run lines off him. Ashton is getting back to that. I am happy with Youngs starting and Lee will unlock the Saints if Youngs doesn't find them. Hope the flankers will step out to defend with Farrell. He can tackle but they'll be looking to bash him. And Hartley, Marler and Tuilagi no red mists! I sense an England win if they handle the brutality with one thought: the scoreboard.

Posted 12:44 07th June 2012

markpat says...

I've been saying all along that I prefer Tuilagi as a 12, rather than a 13.

I'd rather have Farrell, Tuilagi, Joseph than Flood, Barritt, Tuilagi.

I'm not a huge Toby Flood fan, I thnik he looks good when he looks good, but is a liability when he doesn't, but that's just my own opinion.

I don't like Barritt at #12 though, unless we're playing a defensive lineup for a particular reason.

As for Foden at 11, England played Armitage there in the world cup, so we already put full backs on the wing. Cory Jane plays wing, even though he's a better fullback, same with Dagg at times. I'd rather see a fullback on the wing than a winger at fullback, as fullbacks generally have a much better read of the game than wingers. Maybe you lose a little in pure finishing ability, but I don't see that England have a pure finisher for the other wing, unless you play Christian Wade, but I think his height is a liability against South Africa's aerial game.

Posted 12:15 07th June 2012

heathy says...

I like the look of this team (although due to injuries it probably isn't a full strength side) and SL clearly has a eye for the future which is a positive sign at long last. In truth, I don't think we will win the series. We 'may' get a victory in one of the tests but South Africa is a really really tough place to tour. The crowd are very one eyed and the Boks like to mix it with, shall we politely say, brute strength and power. I imagine little rugby will be played so this side need to be well prepared for the brutal side of rugby. At present, I don't think they are. However, if we compete and give the Boks a good game and a few scares then that is good enough for me. Things will come in time as we try and rebuild a side. This is a huge step up from Six Nations and will be a hell of a lot tougher. A good test for the boys but let's not get too carried away. A closely fought 2-1 to the Boks would be progress at this stage. Come on boys, let's see what you've got!

Posted 12:08 07th June 2012

NHsaints says...

I really like the look of this squad...I mean imagine Brown and Ashton going on the Attack whilst Foden covers up from behind? The defensive capabilities and man on man beating ability in that back 3 is ridiculous...not to mention our midfield can batter it's way through or over just about any centre partnership in the world and the Forwards can match any in the NH...we've got quite a team going here...

Posted 12:04 07th June 2012

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