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@ Norm Says... Have you ever played in the front row? The hooker only stands up when he is under great pressure and that isn't just down to him - the whole front row should take that. It isn't easy to stand up in a scrum - it actually hurts to pop yourself out.
He has a discipline problem, that can't be denied - but he is talented and now he is playing with two quality props for England is becoming part of a destructive scrum.
I'll forgive him anything after being one of the 3 who destroyed the Ireland scrum - one of the best 30 minutes of rugby (as a prop) I have ever seen and a great example of how a totally dominant scrum can actually win you a game!
Posted 06:50 16th May 2012
Agree APV1 re Lawes plays hard but dirty? Have to say no. Bit of negative momentum behind that one. Most interesting 2nd row prospect anywhere for many years.
Hartley aside from his thuggery is a repeated offender at scrum time. His apparently perennially stif back seem to drive him to have to stand up every time. Annoys the sh** out of me that he never seems to get pinged for it. Particularly noticeable as a conbscious tactic at Northampton cant get away with it at test level as much but still does it every opportunity he gets, then I suppose Hartley not responsible for refereeing shortcomings, if he gets away with it he will do it.
Posted 14:26 11th May 2012
@ NHsaints - Hear! Hear! One of the many reasons to love it!
@ rockman - I think you're being a little harsh about Lawes and, perhaps, believing the media. He's a hard player and is certainly no angel, but he's not particularly "bad".
Posted 12:31 11th May 2012
"Attitude, energy, emotion and discipline should be a given for an England team now".
And that's why we - the fans - like SL. No nonsense. No BS. Just old-fashioned values.
Posted 09:39 11th May 2012
Some players have a bad behavior on the pitch but have immense talent so its worth putting up with their antics, Courtenay Lawes springs to mind. Hartley, however, is not that good to warrant inclusion considering his violent nature. Biting, gouging and his general thuggery are a disgrace. His bans don't seem to teach him so Lancaster would be helping his career immensely by not playing him because of this and teaching him a real lesson.
Posted 09:27 11th May 2012
Got to love that about rugby though...he gouges haskell and both guys are over it and good mates by the time of the 2010 six nations...
Posted 08:58 11th May 2012
Good on SL - At last an England coach who is prepared to layout what he expects from players in terms of on and off field behaviour.
Hartley, Care et al will now be fully aware of what is expected of them and what their future will be if they fall short of the standards SL expects. For my money SL is now showing that he is his own man.
If only he could get rid of Teflon Rob.
Posted 08:17 11th May 2012