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The Expert Witness report card

12th December 2012 10:53

Expert witness 5 2012

Our Experts: Richards, Corry, Moody and Hill

In the last Expert Witness for this year, Planet Rugby's James While catches up with a group of former international stars to get their views on the end-of-year Tests. This week we re-visit our predictions, comments and columnists and look at the report card for each of the Home Unions.

England:

At the outset of the campaign, Lewis Moody felt that one scalp from the big three of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa would be par for the course. However, falling at the final hurdle against both the Wallabies and the Boks, against all the odds, England produced a brand of attacking, high tempo rugby that caught even the World Champions off guard.

Dean Richards, a man not known for hyperbole, was impressed by England's display.

"We created havoc. Their forwards and some of the backs at times were hitting rucks as if their careers depended on it. England competed in the tight/loose better than any side against the All Blacks in at least a year", he explained.

"New Zealand were rocked; they started to commit more numbers into the areas, which opened holes for England to create pressure and score points."

However, Moody pointed out from a long term view, as exciting as England's NZ display was, they will rue missed chances over both South Africa and Australia

"Despite the manner which we played and the scoreline, there's a lot of work to be done around the error count. Stuart Lancaster has been clear this is a building process to 2015 and naturally, there will be peaks and troughs", explained Moody.

"You need backs who play in the face the opposition and challenge them, and England have done, exactly that. Some of the young guns really came in from nowhere and made a big difference."

Former Leicester Tigers' back rower Martin Corry agreed: "The team have been very honest and also focused on where they believe England are as a team. He's building and creating an environment for international players to succeed. I know there's a good group of players there with the right character, and this is about a journey for them, where they learn and gain experience on the job'"

So, two from four, and perhaps a feeling that three from four or indeed, a clean sweep, just evaded England's grasp. With the displays of Joe Launchberry, Manu Tuilagi and Tom Wood, England have shown they are on the right course.

The All Black win pushes them a shade over par for the campaign, England get a B-, but it could have been an A-.

Ireland:

If ever there was a team that flattered to deceive this winter, it was the men from the Emerald Isle. A thumping of the ever-improving Argentina was a welcome sight; however those that witnessed the South Africa game, will wonder just what Ireland were thinking, as they gave away a massive opportunity to dispose of the World Cup semi-finalists.

As Corry observed: "Ireland v Argentina always seems to be an epic battle! Although Argentina are playing a more fluent game these days, their first tactic is always to stop the opposition from playing, and this will be no different. They've got a superb pack in both tight and loose. Ireland met their physicality up front, but increased tempo behind and execute. You don't get many chances against the Pumas, so you need to make sure you take every point, as many sides know to their cost. Argentina are improving all the time; they know their limitations, play low risk rugby and hit hard around the forwards."

This was a massive win for Ireland and the form of Cian Healy is warming for them, and 27-year-old Johnny Sexton continues to impress with his astute game management.

With one win and one loss against Rugby Championship opposition, Ireland are around par, but will be disappointed. A solid C for them.

Wales:

Has there ever been one more significant event than that of Sam Warburton's tip tackle in the Rugby World Cup semi-final? Since that defining moment, Wales' fortunes have plummeted faster than a spent rocket. Shorn of Warren Gatland, on sabbatical before his Lions adventure, many, including Newcastle Falcons coach Dean Richards, believe it's the lack of opposition experience that is holding Wales back:

"I have to say they're missing Warren Gatland's strong hand on the tiller more than they admit" observed Richards.

"Rob Howley, whilst an exceptional player and an exciting and emerging coach, doesn't have the experience of dealing with the players in that situation. It takes strong personalities with the reference points that only coaching at the highest level brings. Warren has that, Rob, as of yet does not.

"Everyone is learning as they play, and whilst Wales have had a particularly tough experience this winter, they must work their own way out of it.

"On the plus side for Wales, Leigh Halfpenny showed what an emerging talent he is. He's a very intuitive type of player; high quality goal-kicker with a long range, quick and very powerful in both tackle and ruck

"Gatland's return is the thing that's sorely needed though, and it will bring the experience to analyse both the play and the players themselves. They have proven they have the personnel, it's a case of belief, decision, selection and tactics now.

With catastrophic losses against Argentina, and Wales' perennial bogey side, Samoa, all things rugby in Wales are at their bleakest.

Without one win in their campaign, even accounting for the industry shown at times against both Australia and New Zealand, it's hard to give Wales anything more than a D. An absolute nightmare end to their season.

Scotland:

Humiliated by New Zealand, battered by South Africa and then the ignominy of a loss to Tier Three nation Tonga, Scotland's highly-regarded coach Andy Robinson, decided at last to fall on his sword.

The Scots' plight is even more perplexing when people consider the power and resource in the back five of their pack; Denton, Rennie, Barclay, Gray, Brown and Hamilton are all players that would challenge to get in virtually any side in the world, but for some reason the Scottish displays have never matched the potential of the personnel.

As England flank Richard Hill, reflected: It's always sad when someone you know and respect as a coach is forced to quit. Andy mentored me as a youngster, and I'm fully aware of what he can offer. It's typical that he will hold up his hand and shoulder the blame.

"But Andy is technically strong and he'll be back in rugby very soon. In the meantime, Scotland have a strong pack, useful, halfbacks and an improving backline. This maybe a watershed for them and I am sure they'll turn their fortunes around soon.

Although the results didn't go their way, often, even in the best teams, a new voice is needed in the dressing room and on the coaching field. Scotland have the opportunity to do both this, and to use the immense talent at their disposal to move forward. However, without a win, and a humbling defeat to Tonga, it's difficult to give Scotland more than an E.

So that is it for this year's Expert Witness. We hope you've enjoyed reading the analysis of our experts just as much as we have enjoyed working with them. Our thanks goes out to Lewis Moody, Martin Corry, Richard Hill and Dean Richards and we look forward to sharing our views with you next year.

Comments

ben7 says...

@ Everyone that gives England crap.

My theory is that you don't actually think England are all that bad at rugby. Because they're not bad, at all.

You just hate England as a whole. The reason for this being that whatever country you live in, England has always made that country their bitch for the past however many hundred years. You all know its true. Everyone on this site that gives England crap has the same reason but choose to hide behind the safety of a computer screen to voice their opinions. Oh, and Im not English i just find you people sad.

Posted 10:31 14th December 2012

APV1 says...

@ lawynd - good point. I think that we can all agree that England are rebuilding following years of neglect and are supposed to be one of the top three sides in the world and are currently falling out of our ivory tower.

Yep, that just about sums it up.

Posted 16:49 13th December 2012

lawynd says...

@admack - you might want to go back to school, son; it reads as B- just for a start.

If we're working on the basis that the All Blacks are currently A+ based on rankings and overall performance then no, England aren't doing that well. But based on performances since the RWC and the improvements we've witnessed, I'd award extra marks for effort and commitment. Second in the 6N (albeit with a couple of fortunate results against Italy and Scotland), an improvement each game over the summer series against South Africa and relative near misses against Australia and South Africa again, then beating the All Blacks (and I don't care how tired or ill they were, it's not the point) in style. I'd say that steady and incremental improvement warrants a B- personally.

Look, you chaps have got to make up your minds. Either England are rebuilding following years of neglect and the promising nature of the games played so far is to be considered a positive, or we're supposed to be one of the top three sides in the world and are currently falling out of our ivory tower. I'm a bit fed up of seeing the goalposts moved between these two views to suit a poster's need to vilify England time and again, bloody well pick one and be done with it.

Posted 16:35 13th December 2012

admack says...

lawynd: do you seriously think that England deserved a "B" ?

Posted 13:45 13th December 2012

ShamanSheep says...

@trelawny

The predictably whining response of some of the posters

Posted 10:51 13th December 2012

lawynd says...

@Isograford - the only people bleating on about England being world beaters or in this case having already won the RWC are you and other, presumably non-English, posters. Stop being such a berk.

Posted 09:32 13th December 2012

froggy73 says...

@ShamanSheep: Take your blue and red pills next to your bed, you obviously forgot to drink your medication. I would suggest you don't write on here again, given the stupidity of your post (if we can call this a post)

Oh by the way, how did you manage to get rid of your safety sacket ??

Posted 08:00 13th December 2012

Startledwombat says...

Isn't it great that all this is happening in the context of a shift to a truly worldwide game where the home nations can no longer take for granted a position in world cup tier one or tier two, such is the worldwide depth of competition?

Posted 06:37 13th December 2012

melkdave says...

Pretty accurate summaries of the home nations imo,England where a tad unlucky against the bokke to say the least,but where mugged by an experianced streetwise Australia.Came back and put a fantastic performance in against New Zealand,not getting carried away it was only the one performance after all England have to show the same leval consistently for them really to be considered RWC contenders .But at least they look on the right track,and keep improving .

Ireland again put in a single good performance ,hopefully this time they can build on it,and its not just annother flash in the pan game.They have good exciting talant bursting onto the scean now .The question is can Kidney intergrate them into a wining team,and change his tatics to suit.If so then Ireland look contenders for the 6Ns

Wales are suffering from a complete lack of confidance and players losing form after nearly 2 years of non stop rugbyThey also it looks like over estimated their depth in quality players in vital positions imo.I was very surprised that Warburton,Rees and Phillips A.Jones,where all included in the original squad as they are all suffering a dip in form imo this year.But as shown Wales didnt have the quality in depth .Tipric espically needs to show he can do the biz at international leval,and really should be given a run in the 6Ns imoto see if he can.

Scotland well they are a enigma ,they have good players ,and has been said just dont play consistently to their potential,on their day they are a match for any team ask Australia or SA .But they are inconsistent ,maybe its a lack of belief in themselves,but they need to find it asap,to progress.

France though not in the article ,where the outstanding NH team of the aurtum,they finally seem to have discovered .You have to battle hard to win games consistently,you just cant turn up and play andexpect to win consistently. My picktowin the6Ns

Posted 00:04 13th December 2012

Isograford says...

@admack 'England have obviously already won it'.

Just waiting on the street parade here lol. One result against a tired, and probably sick opponent and another false dawn is upon us.

Posted 17:46 12th December 2012

new_j4a says...

@PR, "however those that witnessed the South Africa game, will wonder just what Ireland were thinking, as they gave away a massive opportunity to dispose of the World Cup semi-finalists. "...huh?

Posted 17:45 12th December 2012

kybone says...

How bad do you actually have to be to get a U in this analysis? I mean how much worse could Scotland have been. I buy that they played a bit better with ball in hand, but defensively and in the forwards they were as weak as water.

I would sum things up like this:

England- Did ok, found some new players, and beat NZ for the first time in ages. There are still some players not quite doing it for me, i think we have some very good options which have not been tried as yet. When these options are given a go we will see England really shine. For the first time in a long time the long term future looks bright.

Wales-Started badly and never recovered. Missing loads of key players, and the head coach. They haven't become a rubbish team overnight and when they can get their best team back on the field they'll be as good as ever. Still got lots of exciting young talent that others would love to have.

Ireland- Same old problems really. Loads of quality, but never seem to produce against the best. Need to start picking players on form and not reputation. Need to start and believe that they are as good as they are. Plenty to be optimistic about, but its these issues which seem embedded into the Irish players psyche.

Scotland- Get the tackle bags out! Better with ball in hand, but you're never going to win games if you just miss simple one on one tackles on your own try line. Doesn't seem enough urgency or committment to the cause from most of the players. Quite capable of becoming every bit as good as the other three, they just need to play with about 500% more conviction.

Posted 17:42 12th December 2012

trelawney says...

@NHsaints... I agree with you.

@ShamanSheep - What were you bleating about?

Posted 17:35 12th December 2012

NHsaints says...

Pretty decent analysis, I think Scotland deserve to be on par with Wales though, they put on good enough showings and they're playing a far more exciting game, they're just stuck in the dip that Wales have just fallen in to. Ireland: a very promising year for them, they haven't yet earned above a C but they're looking like they've got the potential to beat anyone at the moment - they nearly had the all blacks in the summer, they absolutely wiped out Argentina and threw away the game against SA, good signs for them. England also had a very good and promising year, our first win over Nz in like 10 years and our biggest ever, we pushed Australia and SA (on numerous occasions) right to the edge and got a draw in SA, our best result against them since 2005. Include France and Italy and the NH is going in the right direction.

Posted 16:44 12th December 2012

shoobydo says...

None of these nations will be happy.

Wales and Scotland were whitewashed.

Ireland failed to beat a top 3 side, yet again.

England's aim was to be 4th in the rankings for the WC draw - they pulled off one magnificent result but it was too little , too late..

@3in4 says Could Ireland's section be so short because they only played 2 games whereas England and Wales played 4? Why do Ireland play so few games anyway? Is it poor organisation or do they think they won't sell enough tickets?

Posted 16:36 12th December 2012

ShamanSheep says...

Whine whine whine. Whine. Whine, whine whine, whine whine whine.

Now that my I'm done with my expert opinion, some new definitions:

'3in4' - To complain or protest in a childish fashion.

'admack' - Give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.

'froggy73' - a whimper, pule, moan, yelp or snivel

Posted 16:32 12th December 2012

lawynd says...

Do any of you ungrateful buggers ever consider that maybe no other former players from other nations are willing to contribute an opinion? Just a thought.

Posted 16:25 12th December 2012

froggy73 says...

The France section was too long although very exciting. I might consider changing to another website who cares about minnows.

The less the merrier I guess for PR

Posted 15:00 12th December 2012

admack says...

Not to un-canny that England who despite winning only 1 game get a B - from 4 English pundits... let's not even bother with the next world cup - England have obviously already won it.

Posted 12:38 12th December 2012

3in4 says...

Interesting to note that the 'Ireland' section is extremely short. Corry actually spends more time talking about Argentina than about Ireland. Is it possible that you and your four exclusively English "experts" know absolutely nothing about Irish rugby?

Posted 12:20 12th December 2012

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