Suspended: Andrew Hore
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New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been given a five-week suspension for striking Wales lock Bradley Davies last Saturday in Cardiff.
Hore was originally handed an eight-week suspension but had three weeks knocked off for his exemplary disciplinary record, good conduct at the hearing and genuine remorse over the incident.
Davies was forced to leave the field and sent to hospital following the blindside shot, with both fans and the media widely condemning Hore for his actions.
The ban means Hore will be unable to play again until 24 February 2013, meaning he will miss this weekend's Test against England at Twickenham along with all of the Highlanders pre-season matches and the first clash of the new Super Rugby season.
"I want to say how bad I feel and how embarrassed I am to be in this situation," Hore told the New Zealand Herald.
"It is not the All Black way and I have let myself down and the team and probably the whole country is pretty proud of what we do.
"I hope Bradley Davies does recover and get back up and running and play in the Heineken Cup as soon as he can.
"I have been on the phone and talked to him on Sunday about the incident and obviously the All Black management and the leader group that I am a part of has been pretty stern on me for getting us into this situation and I have to take what I have got and go back and start building a reputation as a good, clean, hard footy player and hopefully I can do that in the next Super Rugby competition when I get back playing."
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Wallaroo says...
@golden_statenba - cheers mate. I'm glad we agree then that there was parity and that all I was saying too.
Mate had to add the nerve and English lesson stuff, wouldn't be a good Aussie if there wasn't some kinda wind up thrown in.
Have a good one.
Hope the Poms run all over the AB's ...................................................not.
Posted 01:02 01st December 2012
golden_statenba says...
@Wallaroo
"Mate we have great institutions for non English speakers in Australia, you should come over and join one - you'll be surprised how quickly you could grasp proper English language skills"
Yet you abbreviate?
No its debatable that Australian is English. I have seen welcome to Walla Walla
Kidding man!!!!! Don't take it serious now
it's called a difference in opinion.
"Whether you like it or not, Hores actions had more serious consequences to the other party and this is all I said"
Because he got knocked out? You can still have serious concussion with out being knocked out.
Any way no it did not touch a nerve at all.
Its hard to hit a nerve when a player who did what Hore did gets sent off.
I wish he ad got a red card! It would have been an interesting match with the ABs down to 14 men.
Im down with Hore getting a ban.
I think they were as bad as each other and I think Greyling as lucky to get two weeks but i'm certainly not going to loose sleep over it.
Like the Kiwi fans embarrassed about Hore I remember the South African posters embarrassed about Greyling
That said.
Have a bonza weekend digger.Make sure you chuck down a schooner for me ya minta dingo
Posted 16:32 30th November 2012
Cats_Meow says...
@kakapo76
read through the sarcasm, genius...
Posted 09:41 30th November 2012
Wallaroo says...
@golden_statenba
Read my post again. I never said it was less, I said intent was the same which in a court of law is what is looked at. Intent in this case was to strike the head. Just pointing out that those saying Greyling was worse are ignorant. Didn't see you indicating this when Greyling was accused of his being worse. LOL obviously touched an indefensible nerve.
Whether you like it or not, Hores actions had more serious consequences to the other party and this is all I said.
Mate we have great institutions for non English speakers in Australia, you should come over and join one - you'll be surprised how quickly you could grasp proper English language skills.
Posted 02:01 30th November 2012
7redcards says...
@Bronco
So by your reasoning the treatment that McCaw gets from opposing players is justified because he is in the way or off side? Nah mate, I don't buy that. Being in an offside position now justifies being knocked unconscious? Premeditated means he thought about it before he did it, it wasn't a split second reaction.
@Phill_Moore
Ok, I am not defending foul play from any of the palyers you mention, however you seem really twisted up about the Rougerie gouge, I agree this should have been cited but it wasn't so thats that. I assume you are referring to Hartley's dig at McCaw? It was a something and nothing moment, I agree the intent was there but really there was no harm done, and are you referring to Shaw's knee in the back (I think it was Keith Robinson?) the AB second row, well that was just pathetic, it hardly even contacted the player, certainly wasn't worthy of a red card. Its nothing to do with how tough or not someone is, what Hore did was stupid, I agree, but it was incredibly dangerous and premeditated, I would think he is lucky not to have been charged by the police, (I wouldn't agree with this course before anyone jumps down my throat!!) IMHO he should have got a lot more than 5 weeks at least double that but Justice seems to be blind if you wear the silver fern.
Also if you want to look at previous AB outrages what about Phil De Glanville or Josh Lewsey's heads? Both got some pretty close attention? Result - no questions asked.
Posted 21:56 29th November 2012
golden_statenba says...
@Wallaroo
"Saying Greyling was far worse is plain ignorance albeit he should have received more than 2 weeks. Even most Saffers said this at the time"
With all due respect A strike to the head is a strike to the head. Just because Greyling was facing McCaw when he did it does not make it any less.
Now you could say Hore was cowedly.
I think a strike to the head no matter from the front or back should get the same penalty.
I think no matter who you support you don't like to see this kind of play even tho some people think its acceptable if your name is McCaw
Posted 18:07 29th November 2012
new_j4a says...
@Wallaroo, you sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Posted 16:58 29th November 2012
Wallaroo says...
Saying Greyling was far worse is plain ignorance albeit he should have received more than 2 weeks. Even most Saffers said this at the time.
Ignorance in that Greyling didn't hit McCaw from behind, knock him unconscious or hospitalise him, it therefore stands to reason that the force and outcome of Hore's actions were worse. Intent however was the same.
On a more important note though I have to admit that I have been extremely impressed with most Kiwi's and Saffers with their zero tolerance and disdain for players such as Hore and Greyling. IMO there is a lesson here for most.
Posted 14:28 29th November 2012
Trader2 says...
8 weeks minus the 3 for being an extra good boy, that 3 weeks off really tells a story about the way Hore plays the game. 8 weeks was my intitial reaction straight after the game but as already mentioned having taken a really close look 8 weeks probably a bit tough. I am not going to go over it again just to say that it was obviously careless, the swinging arm was high but it did no damage except to knock Davies over and the knee sent him to hospital. As for some of the hysterical comments on here well what can you say, I am sure that their mothers once loved them.
Thats it from me on that subject lets move on to Saturday's game and please everyone be nice, no scratching, biting, eye gouging (and thats just the crowd).
Posted 13:29 29th November 2012
makemehappy says...
Anyone want to hit Bronco - he deserves it as he has got in the way off common sense. No penalty if you do it, as the person is clearly braindead, so won't feel anything.
8-12 weeks would seem worthy of debate as a punishment. 5 is a joke for deliberately knocking someone out in an unprovoked attack.
Shame criminal charges haven't be brought. They would have if this had been a saturday night incident, witnesses by police.
Posted 13:16 29th November 2012
Pearcewreck says...
I can't believe he only got 5 weeks!!!!! That was a disgraceful cheap shot from behind on a player no where near the ball.
Gutless wimp.
BTW the way @ Ramage How embarrassing for you. Rather than arguing a case based on the facts you bring in a complete red herring about hanging, which I think you were doing as an attempt at hyperbole, either to make a point or to get a laugh. If it was either of these it didn't work..............
Anyhow, back to the facts, doesn't matter who he played for or against, it was a disgraceful act which should have gotten longer. And to argue anything different is to show yourself as one-eyed and biased, therefore making your comments ineffectual and tainted by your own bias.
Posted 11:39 29th November 2012
Phill_Moore says...
@7redcards, you have a wrong perception then. Before embarrassing yourself here, please do yourself a favour and look at the facts about non-citings, citings and bans. I already gave some famous examples of very foul play where the NH players didn't even get cited, there are more.
And to say that the intent is not what counts but the result is just plain wrong.
So according to you there was no citing on Gougerie, Hartley, Shaw, etc, or just a 1 week ban on Johnson because McCaw and Marshall are tougher/luckier than Davies and didn't get ko?
Keep digging your own hole...
Posted 11:14 29th November 2012
APV1 says...
@ Stellenbosched2 - what's in the water in South Africa at the moment (or, at least, what's affecting Saffa minds)? You and JayStarr, usually quite reasonable and objective, seem to be following BokA and BokVD etc down the daft conspiricy route. Etzbeth made contact with someone's face and eyes. He was cited so that it could be investigated. There was nothing in it. No further action. Correct decision. So why the conspiricy theory?
@ kiwilad - thank you for this:
"As an aside, is it not a natural progression, Hore has gone from shooting Seals to Clubbing Wales???"
A good chuckle that gave me.
@ davodiablo - lots of rules have been changed, tweaked, removed and introduced over the years. Those who continually drag up the BOD spear tackle often forget this too. Some things which were "legal" aren't any more. Also sanctions have been similarly adjusted. Furthermore, I think we all agree that over the years (and highlighted in recent times), the sanctions handed down have sometimes been farcical. So comparing MJ's punch from back then to this, is like comparing apples with oranges.
@ ajar - the Attoub incident is incomparable.
@ qwerty et al - I agree something should have been done about the Rougerie incident. But the rules state that it has to be cited first. No-one did, so nothing could be done. I also think that who is able to cite an incident needs reviewing to avoid this type of nonsense in the future.
@ Bronco - it was deliberate. Not premeditated, but certainly deliberate. If it wasn't, why is he remorseful? That said, I agree he's been in contact and done the right thing since the match. Just had a brain fart during the match.
@ jontheref - Hear! Hear!
Consistency aside, the Games vs Weeks debate is the important issue. Who decides which are "important" and how can anyone prove a player would have been selected if available?
Posted 11:07 29th November 2012
DaveJ says...
I am very surprised with so many people saying that 5 weeks is an acceptable ban. Hore (completely unprovoked) blindsided another player with a swinging punch to the head, knocking him unconscious and leaving him in hospital for the night. Luckily that player was ok, what would have happened if he wasn't ok, if he had hit him in the temple and given Davies brain damage? because it could very well have happened. It was absolute thuggery of the highest order and there is no place for it and the longer incidents like this happen on the international stage on front of millions of people the more it will a) turn supporters away from the game b) prevent parents from allowing their children play the game and the game will regress. 5 weeks is not enough to deter any player from doing anything on the pitch as they are still being paid so don't really care. Maybe 5 weeks would be fair if it was accompanied by a 5 week salary fine. Disgraceful carry on by the IRB but not one bit surprised by those clowns.
Posted 10:56 29th November 2012
jontheref says...
At this level, it is probably about right, but could have been in games, not weeks.
But compare with Junior rugby.
A player from a U13 team we palyed against last year, got 6 weeks for a punch when someone puled him back.
Think what he and his team are thinking of the sentence.
Needs to be sorted out top down, to prevent these world wide anomolies.
Bronco
Showing he is contrite about the act is good, and was recognised by the committee.
But don't make out it absolves him!
Not deliberate?
Did some out of body experience takeover then?
Posted 08:21 29th November 2012
malkhut10 says...
@Bronco
See my earlier post and others I've made on different articles on PR on this topic. My comments are always about 'rugby'. I am Welsh, but I don't bring that in to my comments because it's hardly ever relevant. I believe anyone who posts on here with 'provincial' comments do so without representing the views of their country as a whole. So I get fed up when resposnes then lambast every other supporter from that country. Remember the fair-minded ones (like me) and the silent majority who've said nothing.
Posted 08:16 29th November 2012
mayce says...
7redcards - can you pleade help me out with the english or french playerd who have got these huge bans after coming to nz. i can't think of any?
hore was stupid and got what he deserved. geez in comparison to ther bans i thought you would be happy.do you actually think greylings was less of an issue?
Posted 08:14 29th November 2012
amfas says...
Here the Jury of Commentors sit locked in mental combat, but sadly very few are armed.
Posted 07:44 29th November 2012
sharkie says...
@Ramage, probably the first sensible remark i have read. Most of the other who probably need help in the morning just to get dressed have some ludicrous self believe that they would been able to influence the citing commission by trying to demonize the player. it was a stupid action (most and for all because it was too visible and panned out a bit more extreme than any player would want to do to another one) but you obviously have no idea what happens in a rugby game. go watch soccer where the winging is appreciated but please stay away from this fine game
Posted 07:21 29th November 2012
Bronco says...
@7redcards, you are hilarious.
premeditated?
The Welsh guy ran offside in front of him, if he hadn't been there Hore would have never made contact.
It's not as if he sat outside his house and waited for him to come home.
Posted 06:53 29th November 2012