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Loose Pass

19th November 2012 06:23

Nick Evans for Loose Pass

This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with Wales, the disciplinary, a huge snub, European form, mysterious injuries and a much more suitable use of Twitter than we have become accustomed to...

When Australia pop into Cardiff on the way home from the usual three-week international window in a fortnight's time, it will be to play a match pitting a side looking like it is finally hitting straps against one looking more and more like it is tumbling down a post-prime decline.

You'd be forgiven for confusing the two teams according to that description and the year's results, but make no mistake, Wales are in a deep hole.

Lauded as the unluckiest team at last year's World Cup, having bustled their way to the semi-finals using a brand of rugby as exciting as it was effective, the Welsh have regressed. The half-backs look visionless, Jamie Roberts can't do it all on his own and the scrum is just plain weedy at times.

Whatever the calibre of opposition, and Argentina and Samoa are both top nations in their own right now, one try in two games - an intercept - is a poor rate of return for Grand Slam champions.

But perhaps most disturbing is that they seem limited by tactics where once they used to look empowered to make decisions; hemmed in by thought where once the instinctive skills would have kicked in to make the running count.

Twice on Friday glaring overlaps were ignored in favour of bog standard territorial kicks. A large number of penalties were conceded out of desperation. Not once did the first phase look threatening to anything but the gain line, while the set piece stuttered against a Samoa side renowned for occasional insecurity where the ball is not in open pasture.

Warren Gatland returns to the fold this week but only briefly, before he heads into his B&I Lions role. He has some serious decisions to make. He clearly can't shake things up too much: that already has happened with his 'year as a Lion' contract, but there will be some long evenings with his coaching staff to find out just what the hell has been missing since he slipped off his ladder earlier this year.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall. But observers in Wales will be watching the signs against New Zealand closely. Gatland's influence appears to be critical to this Welsh side, perhaps more so than we all thought. A poor display against the ABs will raise all sorts of questions about the wisdom of letting Gatland take on the dual role, as well as Rob Howley's ability to think tactically and coach constructively. An interesting week awaits...


Once again the disciplinary is under the spotlight for its inconsistency this week, after Rob Simmons was handed - reduced for good previous conduct - a 14-week ban for a tip tackle on Yannick Nyanga.

Meanwhile, Adam Thomson copped a solitary week for an exploratory stud or two reminding Alasdair Strokosch that holding his torso and head over New Zealand's ball is possibly not a good idea.

Thomson's ban was probably the right one. There was no force - Strokosch later admitted there was not even a bruise. Strokosch and Thomson had a bit of banter about it afterwards, including the former jumping to the latter's defence on twitter and reminding the public of one of rugby's good old school rules: anybody blocking a rightful possession of the ball in the ruck is potentially liable for a bit of a shoeing.

People are up in arms about the precedent such leniency sets: "one week for a boot to the head my god" etc etc, but disciplinary panels do take cases in isolation and anybody who has seen the incident must know the difference between Thomson's moment and the frustrated tramplings of a momentary loss of discipline.

But Simmons has been hung out. 14 weeks? That's double what Lote Tuqiri got a few years ago for a tackle which raised gasps of horror at the manner in which Richie McCaw's neck twisted as his head hit the ground (not to mention the crowd-baiting afterwards) and the three weeks given to Sam Warburton for the rush of blood in the World Cup.

Perhaps it is the intention to make a statement with this sentence, but then they should say so in the judgement. A simple line about 'this penalty reflects the new hard line we are taking over such tackles' would at least offer some clarity.

Even more clarity would be offered by a centralised disciplinary system. These bans were handed out by the Six Nations disciplinary, a panel deeply at odds with the precedents set by SANZAR's wigs. The IRB has done much for the game in recent years to get refereeing standards globally up to speed, you'd think they could do the same for the disciplinary panels?


You have to feel sorry for the Welford Road faithful. They make it a doozer of a ground to go to, be they baying home fans or vocal travellers. It's a tight ground, a heavy pitch, a broiling rugby public... it's everything good about England's club game.

The ground was voted England's best rugby ground this week, further enhancing its credentials as one of rugby's most-renowned arenas.

So goodness only knows how the RFU can think that the local soccer stadium will do a better job of hosting World Cup matches, but it's not a good way for England's deeper rugby traditions to be brought to the forefront of the global showpiece.


Harking back to Wales and the European nations, thanks goodness for France! England bullied out by a weak Australia team, Wales crashing at home to Samoa, Scotland fighting with bludgeon rather than sword and Ireland still looking unsure of themselves... but France have lit up this November thus far with some mesmerising rugby. The Six Nations must be theirs for the taking?


USA Rugby's pre-November statement on lock Samu Manoa: "Samu Manoa, an important player for the Eagles, is suffering from a minor shoulder injury and will not participate in the (November) tour".

Present on the pitch for all 80 minutes of Northampton's match against the Dragons on Saturday, and indeed, all 80 minutes of November 3 clash with Leicester: one Samu Manoa. He did miss the Saints vs Quins game the week on November 10.

American CEO Nigel Melville on the matter: "yes an injury, certainly would have been selected... Regulation 9 doesn't help us! IRB will be taking a look at this after the November internationals - we hope! A debate worth having, Tier 2 Player Release!"

Watch this space...


Twitter... if you've followed this column, you'll know we don't like it. But when it's used to broadcast good news or for some genuine humour, we realise it does have its worth.

Have a look at the picture accompanying this column and then pair it with Nick Evans' triumphant tweet of 'we're pregnant!' and perhaps allow yourselves a good hearty chuckle...

Loose Pass compiled by Richard Anderson

Comments

APV1 says...

The best ref of the Autumn Internationals thus far, I think, is Glen Jackson.

Posted 11:11 21st November 2012

jonesy2 says...

Kent-- i third that. rolland and owens have to go with him.

Trinats-- i was thinking a similar thing, having beaten wales to zip then second in the RC and drawing with the AB's. with the injuries and quade saga that isnt a bad year of results but after a loss to france and win against england they are "hitting their straps"?

Posted 06:37 21st November 2012

celticspirit says...

Second that, Kent. Get Wayne Barnes out of International Rugby (and Heineken Cups) once and for all!

Posted 22:46 20th November 2012

lawynd says...

@melkdave - rubbish! Welford Road has a current capacity of 24,000, KingPower (eugh, I hate even typing it) holds 32,262. By 2015 the next phase would have already taken place - a new multi-storey car park and improved medical and changing facilities in the replacement for the Crumbie stand. And, if the ground had been shortlisted for the RWC, the following expansion (which if I remember correctly is the replacement of the temporary stand on Aylestone Road) would have been brought forward in all likelyhood. Plus, if it was merely a capacity issue, why on earth has that hole at Kingsholm been selected?

Posted 09:49 20th November 2012

ferdie says...

Trinats2 says...Are we talking about the same team that just beat Fiji 53-0 ?

Well - no they are not. It was not an international match, no test caps, it was an Ireland XV. So yes, a different team v Fji.

Posted 23:01 19th November 2012

rugbybutten says...

" the 6 nations MUST be theirs for the taking" ( France )...the reason the 6 nations is such a great tournament is the very fact that they probably won't win it...all too often the dead certs come up short mostly due to the ambition of their opponents.............mind you.. France's current form at least stops John Inverdale telling us over the next 3 months that England will win it

Posted 22:50 19th November 2012

melkdave says...

Wales are atm in the doldrums ,but like everything it goes in cycles ,They will recover if not this season then by next.But they arnt the only european side having troubles.Ireland also imo,are experiancing difficulties.atm,

Most posters here will know my views on lenient sanctions for foulplay so il not deliberate

As to Welford RD ,it has nothing to do with the facilties available,its just mathermatics.The football ground can accomafate more people ,So more tickets can be sold ,and the RFU has more chance of breaking even or perhaps making a profit.Aswell as attracting more peole to watch rugby .Simply as that really.

I also wouldnt say England where bullied out of a victory against Australia either,outhought tatically by a experianced streetwise team yeah ,but BULLIED no.

Clubs have to release players for international matches,that they are not atm ,is a disgrace,and the IRB realy haveto get on topof this asap.If that means fines and santions against clubs including auto relegation so be it .

Posted 19:16 19th November 2012

Isograford says...

lol Nick Evans. You may be content with 'challenging' yourself by playing club rugby the rest of your days, but props for the sense of humour.

Posted 19:04 19th November 2012

APV1 says...

@ hayj05 - all that needed was a follow-up of, "...and you wouldn't like him when he's angry."

Posted 16:08 19th November 2012

Spartacus says...

Thomson's ban is fair, but he should have had red in the game. How is this taken into account? Surely he should have ban increased accordingly? i.e. 2 weeks.

Posted 14:15 19th November 2012

lawynd says...

@Davuardo - sorry to pick on you, but your comment just goes to show how ignorant some of the comments on nationality and eligibility really are on here. No, Samu Manoa is an American of Tongan descent, the same as his father and mother. Just because someone doesn't have a 'local' name (which in California should really be anyone without a native American or at least Spanish name) doesn't automatically make them a foreigner.

Posted 12:57 19th November 2012

Cdn_content says...

Too bad Samu is class, 2nd tier teams need a chance to compete with their best players, ehh Jamie cudmore

Posted 12:42 19th November 2012

Bones7 says...

Thomson's ban seems fair, it was innocuous and Strokosch himself backed him up which was nice. Simmons was clearly a red and worthy of a ban, but the player was brought down flat on his back, not his head or neck. 14 weeks is an absolutely outrageous amount of time. Quite how that tackle should remove you from 3 months of rugby I don't know. The main reason the IRB is cracking down on spear tackling, which obviously I don't agree with as it is dangerous, is to make it more Olympic friendly so I have heard from a senior referee.

Posted 12:26 19th November 2012

Kent says...

"in recent years to get refereeing standards globally up to speed"

Clearly hasn't reached Wayne Barnes yet then

Posted 12:21 19th November 2012

hayj05 says...

@Davuardo - Na born in the US & he's actually of Tongan heritage lol.

I just read this tweet from Ryan Lamb.

"By the way commentators @Blockmonstahz name is SAMU MANOA!!! Not Manu Samoa, get it right it annoys him!"

Posted 12:03 19th November 2012

jonesy2 says...

i dont get the last bit? can someone explain the photo and the joke to me?

Posted 11:07 19th November 2012

ferdie says...

Davuardo - I'm sure Samu Manoa gets that all the time. He was born in the USA and is of Tongan descent - first name is Samuela.

Posted 09:52 19th November 2012

Trinats2 says...

Mr Anderson, you have to be a Pom.

"play a match pitting a side looking like it is finally hitting straps against one looking more and more like it is tumbling down a post-prime decline.

You'd be forgiven for confusing the two teams according to that description and the year's results"

For your short memory, I'll jog it. Wales lost all their 3 games to Australia this year. Where's the confusion ???

"Ireland still looking unsure of themselves"

Are we talking about the same team that just beat Fiji 53-0 ??? same team that had SA on the ropes until a sinbin ???

Posted 09:20 19th November 2012

Davuardo says...

At first I thought the USA Eagles bit was a joke, Samu Manoa? Surely was born in Manu Samoa?

Posted 09:03 19th November 2012

ferdie says...

Re Simmons' penalty - widely reported in Australian media that ARU, and Deans was quoted, were to appeal once they had read the full decision.

They didn't. Why not - if it was so unfair - possibly because it was the correct decision in terms of current laws? ie no grounds to appeal on?

As for Twitter-mouth Gosper, rumoured to be drunk when he tweeted re Thomson, note there has been a media clampdown on him since that outburst, silence, nothing at all on any topic, made a right fool of himself speaking out of turn as a CEO in social media without any IRB consultaion.

Posted 07:50 19th November 2012

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