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7ton says...

Back to the White card.

Does anyone know what the result was with the "supposed trip" white card issued in the Stormers/Hurricanes game?

I can't find any info on it.

Posted 13:38 02nd March 2012

markpat says...

@ justice_4_all, where you state "but you can standup, grab the ball (from any side) before the ruck forms and then keep hold of the ball while the ruck forms around you. You are not obliged to let it go. And by the way, if the tackler has hands on and the tackled player or any other player is wrestling for it and the ball ****is not in contact with the ground**** no ruck forms anyway and the tackling player is merely in a maul."

Not arguing, but are you sure of that? I've seen many referees state that when a player reaches the ground, he is tackled and the tackler is penalised for not releasing the player. The tackler must release the player AND the ball as the first law of a tackle is the tackled player must be allowed to place the ball. The question is what defines a tackle and I'd be surprised if it has any reference to the ball touching the ground.

Posted 10:56 02nd March 2012

7ton says...

D4stress

I enjoy rugby from all parts of the world and certainly enjoy the 6 nations. I also enjoy much of the HC but I have to say I have seen plenty of half empty stadia in this competition.

As for scrums it's good to see a nice solid one but like many people I am fed up with the constant timewasting and resets that is involved with this part of the game.

As for changing the laws years back rucks used to involve forwards rucking with their feet but thanks to mainly complaints from the North the ruck has now been reduced to just a heap of players on the ground.

Posted 10:59 01st March 2012

APV1 says...

@ D4tress - whilst I agree with some of what you say, why are you belittling the SH game? There are differences, but so what? There are differences between the AP, HC, T14, Rabo, 6N, etc even though many of the players are the same. Vive la difference!

Be proud of your sport - yes! Be proud of your national and club teams - yes! Love the game - absolutely! But slate another style / team / player / fan - no. That's not the way and it isn't something to be proud of.

We, the international Rugby fraternity, all have something in common - our love for the greatest sport on earth. I've backpacked around the world (including OZ and NZ) and have started many a conversation with strangers on nothing more that the match on tv, or the shirt one of us is wearing. That's what make the game great - that the sport crosses the divide.

So please stop trying to widen that gap by suggesting one is better than another. They're not. They're different. Not better. Not worse. Different.

Posted 10:25 01st March 2012

D4tress says...

@ powerplay - Please elaborate on what? We have sold out stadia for match upon match at club and country level. You guys can't keep your players away from NH clubs. We have more vocal, more involved and more willing to pay fans. Because the rugby is a better class up here.

It's a better class because we don't keep trying to change the rules to compete with other sports like the NRL. We get on with the business of learning the rules and applying them as they are. We have best refs (Rolland, Lewis, Poite) because we have the best infrastructure and competitions where the refs can learn.

Look - the ABs only beat France in the RWC Final (France - a team that didn't effectively have a coach before the match) with some very VERY dodgy refereeing decisions.

It doesn't really matter what I say here. Union is dying in the SH because you don't have the fans. And you don't have the fans because you play a terrible style of rugby. believe it or not - Union fans don't want to see 8 tries per game: then tries just become meaningless. Union is about scrums, and scrum resets, and collapsed mauls and rucking. That's what makes it special. We don't have 8 tries a game up here, but we still have 40, 60, 80 thousand people showing up at ¿40 a pop to watch these matches.

SH rugby needs to learn to love the game it plays. it's not league - it's union. Love it, play it, and the fans will come.

Posted 09:39 01st March 2012

sandal says...

@StunTheMullet

Thank you!

Posted 06:11 01st March 2012

sandal says...

Thank you, Richard Anderson, for your perspective on the weekend's Six Nations matches. I wasn't able to see any of the games (though I very much wanted to), but I read a lot of reports, particularly on England-Wales, and I read a lot of blogs below the line, again particularly on England-Wales.

It read like I had missed the match of the century. The odd dissenting voice was cast as an embittered man.

Now I wonder. Perhaps the northern hemisphere is just reverting to type.

Posted 05:57 01st March 2012

7ton says...

Chubbylugs.

That is where McCaw, Pocock, Warburton and others are good as they are very quick to get back on their feet and often (not always) they are mistaken to be offside by opposing fans and even the ref.

Posted 18:03 29th February 2012

jontheref says...

chubbylugs

Yes, understand where you are coming from.

If the ruck is formed, yes he is offside.

If no one from the otherside is there, it is not a ruck, so the player you are referring to, is not "offside".

If the ruck is formed, different.

That is what the ref is there for.

Posted 17:15 29th February 2012

Chubbylugs says...

I think I may be wrong to a point. If the ruck is formed and therefore an offside line is present then the tackler has to rejoin from the gate. If no ruck is formed ie one player from either side over the tackle on their feet and no offside line, then it is fair game

Therefore you can't stand up from making a tackle and just grab the ball, it depends on the stage of the tackle / ruck

Posted 12:52 29th February 2012

D4tress says...

Yeah - RA, bang on. 3 soldout stadia, in the middle of a season of soldout matches (HC) vs. 5,000 people rattling around watching white cards being flung out.

If you prefer that, there's nothing stopping you heading off southwards.

NH is the beating heart of Rugby Union. Better players, better supporters, better refs, better finances. If you want non-stop tries and no scrum just watch league. I spent 15 years playing as a second row. I enjoy watching scrums (and resets) and I enjoy watching rucks and mauls. These are what make our sport our sport. It sound like you just don't like Union. Tries are great, but they're only exciting because they are hard to score and comparitively rare. I remember nonsense matches in the "Super" Rugby (ha!) season where the losing team were picking up try bonus points. The tries were meaningless and the teams scoring them were terrible.

Watch NFL, League or something else if you don't like the wa we're playing.

The sooner we get a HC Winner vs. S15 Winner annual face off the better.

Posted 12:32 29th February 2012

7ton says...

chubbylugs

I am not 100% but as I understand it the tackler can go for the ball from any direction provided he is on his feet and has briefly released the tackled player and it is before the ruck is formed??

Posted 23:50 28th February 2012

celticspirit says...

I normally quite enjoy the Loose Passes, but this one, more precisely the NH vs SH bit is just plain terrible. Firstly, comparing internationals with the first day of a season in the S15 does not make sense anyway. Then, look at the World Cup: the more intense the games, the lower the scores, the fewer the tries, the longer the time to move the ball around the field. What do you expect? S15 is just a little funny prank as far as intensity is concerned, so obviously you throw the ball around. In the 6Nat, it is the pride of a nation that depends on it, so ALL CREDIT TO SCOTLAND for throwing the ball around like they did, despite the pressure. They deserved more. And the 6Nat deserves more than this article! If you must compare the two, then why not compare the Scotland-Francegame to the Sharks' game??? At least be fair in your comparisons. And then once again (I can't remember how many times this has been sad, but it seems necessary!): I take an intense 8 - 7 (see the WC Final) over a 38 - 24 any day. And a 23 - 17 with 4 tries would be HEAVEN if Scotland won for a change. Surely S15 is not the game they play in heaven, that is the game they play on earth, next to Rugby League and American Football...

Posted 17:27 28th February 2012

Chubbylugs says...

Headhunter, the laws changed 2/3 years ago stipulating that the tackler has to re-enter via the gate if they wish to go for the ball. The second arriving player can compete for the ball as long as they are not part of the tackle, or words to that affect. It is slightly contrary to the fact that no offside line is present untilthe ruck is formed, but what is supposed to happen and what actually does varies under interpretation

Posted 15:48 28th February 2012

Headhunter99 says...

Richard Anderson, you have totally lost the plot about the England v Wales match.

For those of us fortunate to have been at Twickenham it was an enthralling, emotional and close match. The ups and downs of the match shared with the opposition fans sitting next to or near you is something you have no comprehension of. From the moment the Welsh national anthem was sung (and I'm English) till the final whistle after the TMO turned down Strettles try (TMO is right thats why he was there) it was an unbelievable atmosphere rollercoaster of a match. Turgid it never was,take of the blinkers mate

I agree with most of your other points but face it if your not English or Welsh you'll never understand...BTW congrats to the Taff's theres always next year.

Posted 10:24 28th February 2012

jontheref says...

chubbylugs said

"i think we have an issue with consistency in the ruck. why can you blanket a ruck with bodies over the floor one minute, and then be penalised the next. either let players go off their feet, or dont but be consistent."

Agreed, we all know handling in the ruck/mess happens.

Make it legal, laws do tend to trail behind what is actually happening. It is a skill to win the ball, so let's reward the players.

If not, let's go back to all players on their feet, none of the negative play, where defenders take the legal man contesting, to the ground.

Technically not collapsing the ruck, as none of the defenders are on their feet, so still treated as a tackle.

You can't have it both ways.

chubby lugs

"I think in the england wales game, walsh didnt police the ruck very well. warbuton played the richie mcaw trick of pre-2 years ago of re-entering the ruck from the tackle side and and slowing the ball - didnt get caught, but the rules have changed"

As the tackler, he can go for the ball from anywhere.

That has not changed.

Posted 09:43 28th February 2012

StunTheMullet says...

"Television replays, coverage, commentary ensure that even the most dozy of match commissioners would pick up any serious foul play during or shortly after the game, "

Au contraire - the citing commissioners were noticably MIA with their ladyboys when Sir Richie McCaw got elbowed in the face by Boofhead Mk 1 Hartley at Twickers in 2010, clotheslined in the face a week later by boofhead Mk II Andy Powell at Millenium Stadium in 2010 and eye gouged by la femme fatale Rougerie during the 2011 RWC final.

Posted 07:01 28th February 2012

quietbrit says...

Disappointing analysis of the Eng:Wales game and of the whole of the 6N Rugby. Pity really as the point about long waits at rucks is good.

New Law: Once the Ref is convinced the Ball has been playable for 5 secs he may call ball is out. Defending team can then come round the ruck and pick the ball up just as if it were spilled backwards in the pass.

If it isn't coming out Scrum as usual.

Posted 04:00 28th February 2012

welshmac says...

Slow ruck ball should be dealt with by th IRB. The time spent by Dickson and Philips stood over the ball was ridiculous.

Posted 21:57 27th February 2012

gingergenius says...

I know what I'll do... I'll write deliberately controversial and antagonistic comments in my article in order to restart the most commonly debated argument in rugby. I'll do it because I know loads of people will comment on my article, which makes me feel better about my writing and is better for my CV.

Why is it so many rugby journalists are simply glorified WUMs?

Posted 20:25 27th February 2012

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