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Rugby Championship and Super Rugby referees will have powers to put players "on report" for suspected foul play under a system being trialed in rugby union for the first time.
The International Rugby Board will monitor the trial of the system, adopted from rugby league, which aims to make the referees' job easier and achieve more consistent penalties in judicial hearings.
Under the system referees will be able to place a player on report when they suspect but aren't certain an offence has been committed. Referees will still be able to issue yellow and red cards in clear cases of foul play.
A player placed on the report will face a judicial hearing that will determine whether foul play occurred.
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genghis_j says...
@ isthatrightref - three dates any true Wales rugby supporter should know from an early age - 1905, 1935 and 1953 - the three victories over NZ.
Posted 23:58 09th February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ genghis_j... this isn't a joke, in the sense it really happened, but just before the RWC semis an Australian workmate asked a customer, a Welsh expat who must be around 35yo, would he rather Wales played Oz or NZ in the Final. Welshman immediately replied "Australia, at least we've beaten you" Thinking he meant recently I said something like "well, it's been a while..." to which he replied "No. Never. Gone close a few times but never beaten you." I didn't want to make him look silly so left it at that... on the Monday he came in & said "You were right about Wales beating NZ.I looked it up on the 'net. 1953! May as well be never".
So no the baabaas result doesn't count as a win for Wales but I can see why your da would've claimed it. I also recall that in '72 the Arms Park scoreboard was changed to 19 - 19 while Bennett was still lining up the shot - which missed, so the poor sod manning the board had to go out & change it back to 16 - 19. My god can you imagine if it happened today, in NZ, against anyone... the conspiracy nutters would have a field day: back then we just put it down to Welsh bravado, "Wales will beat you boyo" & all that, Times have indeed changed.
Posted 20:52 06th February 2012
genghis_j says...
isthatrightref - I knew a bit about the name change from a Leinster supporter here (Thailand) he wanted them to be the Irish and British Lions.
Re that 72-73 tour, sure many older supporters would say that was the great era of rugby, before professionals, when teams played all those mid-week matches, won some lost some, there were some true legends playing on both sides, and the Barbarians win became a legend in itself; my old man was a closet Wales supporter, he counted that Baabaas win as a Wales win as Welsh players scored more points than the ABs did. Does that count?
Posted 09:30 06th February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ researchboy... from not knowing the difference between the 2 Samoas to lecturing genghis_j on the 2 Irelands in a single bound... you really have been swotting up haven't you. Good work. Hope you're not too badly scarred, genghis_j, those gummy sharks can be quite savage...
Posted 20:25 05th February 2012
genghis_j says...
Trinats - was a recent change to British and Irish Lions. They played as 'British Isles' till 1950, then 'British Lions' after that. Match programmes from their tours of NZ show 1993 (British Lions) and 2005 (British and Irish Lions). Wiki says the change was formally made in 2001 for the tour of Oz.
Love your quote "the best Australian rugby players were playing league" - well they were league players then, weren't they?
This is almost the same quote you use for every Oz loss - "injured payers, not our best team, blame the ref etc", Keep up the good work.
Posted 11:23 05th February 2012
Trinats says...
genghis_j:
You should read more. Ireland is not part of the UK. Ireland is a republic. Which is why it is the British and "Irish" Lions and not the British Lions. Ireland is part of the British Islands (a geographical term) The UK does have Northern Ireland as the 4th country which is were you may have been confused. However with Rugby there are no borders in Ireland and dates back to when Ireland was one.
You may note that all the best Australian rugby players were playing league in the 70's and ARU struggled to get numbers and there was in fighting with the selection of a Queenslander as captain in a NSW dominated team.
New Zealand 1970-1973 played 17 Won 8 Lost 7
Posted 23:49 04th February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ 7ton.. as I recall, the NZM thing was a test to see if he could actually do some research instead of just typing whatever drivel came into his head. We now know the answer so no apology required :-)
Posted 22:26 04th February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ genghis_j... a much & unfairly maligned team imo, starting with the title of TP McLean's book - "They MIssed the Bus" - which was widely read & probably shaped many people's opinin of the side.
Kirkpatrick & others tried to put the record straight in their autobios but the damage had already been done: Kirky is an AB legend but few would rate him a legendary AB captain, whereas Leslie for example got more credit for acheiving probably less.
What people forget is that the Lions had just won a series in NZ for the 1st time (Barry John immediately went to league but his replacement, a bloke called Bennett, wasn't too shabby) & went on to win in SA for the 1st time also 18 mo after the AB tour. You could argue that we caught them all at very nearly their peak, Wales certainly. And yes, had Tom Grace not dotted down TP would've been looking for a different title for his book!
Is there still a cross at Lansdowne Road marking the spot Grace scored? I remember seeing a shot of him pointing to it when the AB went there years later, the pitch had been re-aligned so the mark was a few metres outside the actual field of play but it obviously meant a lot to a generation of Ireland supporters & it'd be great if it were still there as a tribute to the good old days.
Posted 22:21 04th February 2012
genghis_j says...
Trinats - you really should read more. Try the 1972-73 All Blacks northern tour - 32 matches, a squad of just 32, one of the true 'great' rugby tours, regardless of the losses, from the amateur era - which we will never see again: started in Canada, then USA, then the four UK countries then France. Yes they drew with Ireland - but had beaten England, Wales, Scotland, the draw cost them a Grand Slam. A different era.
You may note that Australia played ten tests in 1972 and 1973, losing seven, one draw;. Their only two victories in those two years? Over Fiji and Tonga - now they really were superpowers back then. They lost to Tonga in the return fixture, despite it being played at home/Sydney. As I said, a different era.
Posted 14:47 04th February 2012
7ton says...
Tri-nats
Talking round and sidestepping again all a bit of a P**s take I know but for once be a man and acknowledge to isthatrightref you were wrong re NZM
Posted 11:47 04th February 2012
Trinats says...
isthatrightref:
even in your name you are unsure, is that right ?
FACT : Australia won the last ever Tri nations.
OPINION: France in the RWC final were the better team, (an opinion shared by millions around the world, even in NZ (a fact !))
CLAIM: (depends in what context you use it) Wallabies will claim back the Bledisloe this year !!! Maybe a bit presumptuous in a cheeky way, but to say "mine's bigger than yours" would just be silly, you just have to look at the results (FACTS) over the years witl NZ and AUS to know Aus are behind by a big margin (except in RWC, where it real counts :-). But it wont stop me taken the P !!!
Moving on now.
Posted 21:45 03rd February 2012
7ton says...
isthatrightref
Well said
You have hit the nail right on the head in regards to Fact, Claim and opinion.
The problem is Tri-nats and others will either talk round it or just wander of to a future article and talk the same old rubbish over and over again.
Posted 11:46 03rd February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ Trinats... I will have one last crack at trying to explain to you the difference between FACT. OPINION & CLAIM...
Someone commented on the FACT that since Deans became Wobblies coach the AB had won 10 of the matches between the two. You replied with the CLAIM that this was in part due to most of the games being reffed by ¿saffas¿, and that your lot were ¿always a man short for 10 minutes¿ or words to that effect. I replied with my OPINION that a high % of SA refs was to be expected given they¿re also part of SANZAR, and that since in FACT Wobblies were a man short for 10 minutes in only 1 of the 10 matches, and for 35 - 45 minutes in another (the one where Mitchell got both yellow- and red-carded) your CLAIM was rubbish.
I really can¿t put it any simpler than that. If you still don¿t get it you never will. If you continue to make wild claims unsupported by facts you should expect some ridicule, hence ¿researchboy¿.
p.s. the SA/Oz match I referenced was of course last October, not September.
Posted 07:07 03rd February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ genghis_j... good to know the memory isn't totally shot! The Invitation & Pres's XV fixtures were testimonials for Colin Meads hence the 48K who rocked up to Eden Park. I went to the Athletic Park match (aged 9) & tried to shake the great man's hand but of course couldn't get near him... I did meet him a couple of years back at my then-local, the "Dinny" in Hamilton, though.
@ researchboy... it's not about who beat who however many years ago, it's about getting your facts right 'cos then your opinions are at least based on something real, even if I or someone else happen not to agree. The you can have a debate as opposed to the "mine's bigger than yours"-type back-and-forth you seem to prefer.
Example: your blokes beat SA under fairly well documented circumstances last Septeber. That is a fact. Should they have won? That is a matter of opinion. Get the difference?
Posted 19:59 02nd February 2012
genghis_j says...
Trinats - the All Blacks internal tours of NZ; 1972 (played 7 matches, won 7) and 1973 (played 4 matches won 2).
Not tests of course, v provinces and invitation sides (and matches v NZM are not tests as they are not an international side).
8 August 1973 the All Blacks played NZ Maori at Rotorua winning 18-8. Other matches on that tour v NZ Juniors 10-14, NZ Invitation XV 22-10 (and a crowd of 48,000), NZ Presidents XV 28-35. Not a successful tour, win 2 lose 2.
Source: allblacks.com
Posted 13:20 02nd February 2012
Trinats says...
isthatrightref:
"Oz fyi played NZM 16 times 1922-58, won 8 lost 6 drew 2"
Yes mate, well aware of the stat. Are you aware that the last time they played NZM was in Melbourne, 5th Jul 1958, 54 years ago !!!! You're grasping at straws.
Are you sure about NZ in 1973 ?? when AB drew with Ireland, lost to France in Paris and England in Auckland ??? have you got the right AB team or was it an NZ 15 or development team, as it's not on offical record for a test (maybe in it is NZ, as it was a crap year for you??)
Maroi lost to Queensland !!! and does American uni and Fiji 2nd XV count in your world ? they played NZM also.
Posted 10:28 02nd February 2012
ruckingkiwi says...
Justice, why would anyone pretend to be a Saffa? :)
I quite like the change, a bad call from the ref is less likely to ruin the game.. like when Brussouw took a soccer dive in the world cup and Williams was sent off.
A red card can still be used during the match, or a later suspension might be more suitable. If not, then nothing has changed.
Posted 22:45 01st February 2012
isthatrightref says...
@ researchboy... I never make stuff up. 1973 or 74 internal tour, venue Rotorua, score 18 - 8, NZ Maori wore white as I recall. To be fair it only counts as an AB tour match. Oz fyi played NZM 16 times 1922-58, won 8 lost 6 drew 2.
Can't help but notice you've ignored the yellow card count in recent Wobblies losses to AB. Now there was a clear case of making stuff up - "no wonder we've lost 10 straight, we're always a man down thanks to saffa refs" or some such.
With S15 just around the corner I look forward to reading what Clarky, Kearnsy, Marto & Slacky think in your posts, it's way easier on the ears than having to listen to them.
Posted 19:57 01st February 2012
Trinats says...
isthatrightref:
"Answer to Q2 btw is they've beaten Wobblies but not AB"
Would that be because they have never played them ????
I wasn't aware the All Blacks played NZ Maori ???. There you go again, making stuff up and looking silly, just do the research Bro !.
Posted 14:31 01st February 2012
7ton says...
Tri-nats
We've been down this road so many times before and it works both ways at 13-2 it certainly could look more suspect that the NH refs are out of line and favoured Aus (not that I'm saying they did)
So what happens if the next time it's a NH ref NZ win. You will look even more stupid then but I suppose you will come up with some more of your pathetic and well worn excuses.
Posted 20:43 31st January 2012