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Loose Pass

14th January 2013 06:03

Heineken Cup trophy 2011

Key week: Heineken Cup

This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with a rising star, maths, and passports and visas...

The trials and troubles of Welsh rugby have been well-documented over the past month or two, but there is a silver lining. His name is Eli Walker.

Is it overstating a bit to claim Walker might be the most exciting winger since Rupeni Caucaunibuca announced his presence on the sub-international stage?

Walker is blessed with all the pace of his peers and then some. A distinctively bow-legged stance makes him extraordinarily difficult to tackle, widening his stance against opposing shoulders and effectively lowering his centre of gravity. His upper body is prop-like in width if not girth.

He has a knack for carving up defences, ghosting past defenders with a step so subtle that it's hard to see out of slow-motion replays. Defenders frequently barely lay a finger on him.

Only a lack of outrageous skill separates him from everyone's favourite Fijian - not yet have we seen an ability to pick up the ball one-handed in full flight - while in terms of awareness he still needs to learn. After a scintillating 50 metre run against the Tigers on Sunday, he should have offloaded outside for Jonathan Spratt rather than take the ruck and wait for Kahn Fotuali'i to fling a fantastic pass.

But those are details that can be worked on. A magnificent natural talent is blossoming on the Welsh wing, making a trio of Alex Cuthbert, George North and Walker from which selection for the Six Nations teams is going to be fiendishly difficult. Wales have their woes, but if they can shift the ball there is life in the Dragons yet.


Heineken Cup January time! You know that time? That's the time at which everybody maintaining a serious interest in the tournament gathers round the tables and final fixture lists and works out all the permutations or tries to predict if their side will make it, even with the fillip of a home quarter-final.

As ever, we strive to be the first to paint the clearest picture, and have peered through the equations, done the arithmetic, factored in the quotients and worn down the algebra. This is what we came up with...

Definitely out

Edinburgh, Ospreys, Treviso, Connacht, Zebre, Glasgow, Exeter, Scarlets, Sale, Cardiff.

Saracens - Need a win at home to Edinburgh, a bonus point (tries? yeah, right) would highly likely be enough to get them a home quarter-final. Predicted points finish: 23

Munster - Probably won't catch Sarries unless there's a major upset, but a win at home to Racing Metro ought to see them through as best runners-up. Predicted points finish: 19

Racing Metro - Need a bonus point win at Munster and for Leicester, Biarritz, Northampton and Leinster all to lose (Leicester without a bonus point) to even dream of a second-placed finish. Predicted points finish: 12

Toulouse - Need a win away at Leicester. Predicted points finish: 19

Leicester - Need a win against Toulouse, which even then would only see them travel in the quarters. Predicted points finish: 20

Harlequins - A home quarter-final awaits, irrespective of what happens in Biarritz. Predicted points finish: 25

Biarritz - A bonus point win at home to Harlequins and any four of Leicester, Racing Metro, Munster, Northampton, Montpellier and Leinster losing sees them through. Predicted points finish: 18

Ulster - A win away at Castres will probably be enough to get them to Ravenhill in the quarters, a bonus point win definitely would. Defeat, not unthinkable, would leave them sweating, but even a single bonus point would be enough. Predicted points finish: 23

Northampton - a bonus point win and a pointless defeat by Castres, or any four of Leicester, Racing Metro, Munster, Biarritz, Montpellier and Leinster losing sees them through by the skin of their teeth. Predicted points finish: 19

Castres - A bonus point win at home to Ulster and defeat for any five of Leicester, Racing Metro, Munster, Biarritz, Montpellier and Leinster... about the same chance of making it as a pot plant in a tornado. Predicted points finish: 14

Clermont - The Marcel Michelin awaits someone. Even defeat at the Scarlets would not harm their chance of a home quarter, although a bonus point-less defeat would leave things edgy. Like that's going to happen. Predicted points finish: 27

Leinster - A bonus point win leaves them in a possible fight for a best runners-up spot, but they also need favours in the form of defeats elsewhere. Predicted points finish: 19

Toulon - A win gives them a fearsome home quarter, defeat to Montpellier will only damage their prospects of that, not of overall qualification. They are through, just need the win to seal the deal. Predicted points finish 27

Montpellier - A win over Toulon of any form would be enough to see them through as the best runner-up. Defeat leaves them needing any four of Leicester, Racing Metro, Munster, Biarritz and Leinster to lose too. Predicted points finish: 18

Predicted quarter-final line-up

Clermont v Toulouse
Toulon v Munster
Harlequins v Leicester
Ulster v Saracens

Oh yes! Bring that lot on!

But.... three English, three French, two Irish... and the English and French are complaining they don't get a fair deal out of the HEC???


We've long been advocates of a principle being introduced whereby to be valid to play for a country you ought to be a passport-holder... or at least eligible for such.

So the situation involving Hendre Fourie is a deeply regrettable one, a real illustration of the fantasy nationality that the current IRB eligibility rules can create. The time for change is nigh.

Significantly more sympathy was garnered this end for the plight of Cardiff Blues fly-half Jason Tovey, whose labrador puppy Buster's attempt to render his passport edible cost Tovey his place on the pitch in the Stade Felix Mayol this weekend!

Tovey was in the process of packing his stuff, when he happened upon Buster happily chewing away and having already ingested a good chunk of the docs. It did not take long for a Blues spokesman to reveal the extent of the disciplinary proceedings against Tovey as a result of his schoolboy excuse.

"He's in the doghouse" read a statement...

Loose Pass compiled by Richard Anderson

Comments

shrimps says...

Also, Eli Walker has a long way to go before being considered in any class the same as Rupeni. he's had one or two great runs / tries and is a good runnner but he has a long way to go

Posted 21:55 15th January 2013

shrimps says...

@Richard Anderson

boring as usual. up the standard Richard and perhaps you won't need to goad your readers to stir interest in your writing!

Posted 21:51 15th January 2013

Sincero says...

@newj4... It's true. Injuries did for us to a large extent- we don't have the depth of the big French teams, or the resources. Then the forced sale of Hines by the IRFU was something we've been struggling to redress for 2 seasons.

@lyhel, why would I blame ASM? They deserved their victories. I blame firstly ourselves (with the above factored in, we simply didn't do it with the team we could put out... also, the IRFU screwed us a second time with the senior internationals basically not being allowed play before the Exeter home game... you can't expect them to start from cold either). After that, I reckon I will be looking at Racing and Toulon with a large amount of scorn... prove me wrong, folks.

Send your best team out in the last match of the pool of Europe's and the world's showpiece competition, and give it socks. Surprise me, and I'll happily doff the hat to salute you.

Posted 16:59 15th January 2013

APV1 says...

@ rico - I didn't comment on the chap as I haven't seen him play and know nowt about him. he may be the next big thing, or he could be a total flop. But I can't comment on him, as I have no idea.

And if you think that Rugby Politics isn't important, then I want to live in your euphoric land. It dominates so many decisions (including ELVs) that it has to be discussed. My point was that RA just likes to stir the pot a little and I was warning against others getting "suckered in", as I don't want anything to do with that.

Posted 11:30 15th January 2013

Dezz says...

Come on Ulster.

Posted 09:48 15th January 2013

Iyhel says...

@Sincero: I thought the word "honor" implied a dose of honesty and respect; if you wish to blame some French club for Leinster's fortunes, then do it, but then blame Clermont for being far superior on the matchdays and beating them home and away.

That said, I for one now believe that Leinster will qualify cos I won't bet on Montpellier getting more than a losing bonus against Toulon nor on Munster getting a bonus point against Racing, nor on Leicester winning. So it's all in their hands...

By the way, Harlequins losing to Biarritz, even at Aguilera? Come on...

Posted 09:15 15th January 2013

new_j4a says...

@Sincero, Really? And there I was skimming over your usual rubbish, expecting you to blame everyone else, when these profound words jumped off the page:

".....Leinster we have brought this on ourselves, ......just not good enough "

Posted 07:29 15th January 2013

ben7 says...

Eli Walker the next Caucaunibuca? You are kidding right? The best winger since Caucau has been Bryan Habana and Walker has miles to go before he reaches his level of class.

Posted 23:08 14th January 2013

rico says...

no comments on the main piece about eli walker - all you pR trolls/regular posters intersted in is posting about rugby politics not rugby players and their potential, skill and passion. suckered in by RA/PR's simple goading comments about tired old 'nationality' and 'Hieneken Cup' probables and possibles - get some new banter! zzzzzzzzzzzz btw Eli Walker looks the Dogs - same class as rupeni Capacabansa? a bit early for that realistically but hopefully Eli can relaise his full potential..

Posted 20:53 14th January 2013

TVaddict says...

In terms of predictions I expect:

-Montpellier to get 22 points (Best runner up)

-Toulouse to get 19 (Second best runner up)

-Leicester to win group with 20

-Saracens to win group with 23 (Home Quarter final)

-Clermont to win with 27 (Home Quarter final)

-Harlequins to win group with 25 (Home Quarter final)

-Ulster to win group with 20

-Toulon to win group with 24 (Home Quarter final)

So I think that makes it:

Clermont v Toulouse = Clermont to win

Toulon v Leicester = Toulon to win by a lot

Harlequins v Montpellier = Harlequins to win

Saracens v Ulster = Saracens to win

Posted 20:14 14th January 2013

melkdave says...

I think most of PRs predictions will be correct.But like others im not betting Ulster will win at Castres,in fact i think they will lose tbhNot going to comment on RAs attempt to get us arguing over the HC again.Just going to enjoy it as APV1 has said.

Posted 17:55 14th January 2013

Sincero says...

Predictions a little bit off, if you ask me. We will most likely see the Province of the Turnip Munster and Mointpellier through as runners-up. That's because

1) Racing rolled over when asked a question and surrendered in Paris to a relatively weak Sarries side that were there for the taking.

2) Leinster fail to secure a home B.P. in the first match against Exeter.

3) The Neeps will know exactly how many tries they need to score to go through as their game is later.

4) Racing, having surrendered all dignity and hope of progression, will send a 3rd-rate, disinterested team to Toe-mind Park, a.k.a. de Clem, a.k.a. the Vagidome.

5) Toulon, fighting for a B.d.b. French title, and having lost recently at home to, of all people, the same Racing that just had its belly tickled by the saffer-saxon boshers, will send a team of bored children suffering from ennui to montpellier, and will lose.

So, although at Leinster we have brought this on ourselves, raked with injury, but just not good enough on match days... the fact remains that the French will do for us though lacking in tenacity, and moral fortitude... Racing capitulating and surrendering a winning lead with a man up at the first opportunity, then sending 3rds to Limerick, and Toulon sending 3rds to Montpellier. If there were any honour about these clubs they would want to win even though eliminated or qualified... however, I fear that will not be the case.

Posted 16:55 14th January 2013

APV1 says...

@ BokAvenger - what have I got to do with your censored posts? Why do you want to reproduce anything for me? I'd prefer that you were unable to reproduce at all and it's cold comfort that, if you can, you are a long way away.

Posted 15:17 14th January 2013

froggy73 says...

I wouldn't put money on Ulster winning at Castres, nor on Toulon winning at Montpellier...The rest of the predictions seems likely to happen.

Posted 13:29 14th January 2013

BokAvenger says...

Once again PR censors my comment because I asked an uncomfortable question. So let me repeat myself. Please provide the links to prove the statement you made in the above article, which I shall reproduce here for the likes of APV1 and cohorts.

"We've long been advocates of a principle being introduced whereby to be valid to play for a country you ought to be a passport-holder... or at least eligible for such."

Really? I don't recall PR ever advocating this at all. Please refresh our memories by providing the links to show us where you advocated this.

Posted 12:45 14th January 2013

APV1 says...

@ DrDeath - I have a shower every year on my birthday, whether I need it or not!

"great unwashed" indeed..?!

Posted 12:26 14th January 2013

Rosbif says...

hear hear APV1. and happy new year :-)

Posted 11:38 14th January 2013

DrDeath says...

Whole point of "Loose Pass" seems to be to get the great unwashed (us) arguing!

Has Mr Anderson succeeded or will we all be as sensible as the Bath fan??

Posted 11:20 14th January 2013

APV1 says...

"But.... three English, two French, three Irish... and the English and French are complaining they don't get a fair deal out of the HEC???"

Is Richard Anderson the world's biggest stirrer? Was that necessary, or just poking a couple of trolls, to see if they'll react? There are enough threads on that matter elsewhere, so let's not re-hash old ground again. February 6th is the next round of talks. We've all given our opinions and most of us have agreed to disagree on some aspects. So let it lie for now and enjoy the current comp instead.

Posted 10:51 14th January 2013

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