new_j4a says...

@GCP_JONES civility? This is rugby, not croquet old fellow. And where have you been hiding yourself if you are surprised at a bit of antagonism between Irishmen...at the vicarage? And do you call it civil when the supporters of a side with as much practice at losing goes after the ref with a pack of lies? There's many a thing in Ireland that I wouldn't call civil.

Posted 15:30 28th June 2012

ruggaluva says...

Hmm just thought i wld share this gem from Jerry Guscott on the possible winner of a world club competition. Has this man seen the Crusaders/Chiefs/ Bulls in full flight ?? Leinster smcheinster....

Crusaders in particular are a machine that starts slow but once it gets rumbling nothing stops its progress !

"I'm not that interested in a world club cup given the seasons are different so it wouldn't be an even contest, if we ever get to a global season then yes I would like to see a match played although not sure there would be space for it. I think the results would surprise us, imagine the Reds playing the Tigers at Welford Road in December? Certainly Leinster could compete with all the southern hemisphere had to offer. All the top French teams would fancy their chance at home against any team. Leinster would be my favourite to win."

Posted 15:13 28th June 2012

crunchfit says...

@new_j4a

No you didn't. You specifically said you watched the 57th minute and saw it: "I watched the 57th minute and saw why". It didn't occur during or particularly near to that time. Caught in the act buddy. Better go and actually watch it this time!

Posted 13:00 28th June 2012

Dan77 says...

This article is complete bull!!! The Irish media is very critical of our team when it deserves it. Our media is not paid to be biased....maybe thats how it works in Planet Rugby. I lived in NZ, and I know its definitely how it works there...

Also the article gives the impression that Irish fans are blaming the 3 losses on ref decisions and that we are a bunch of sore losers. Again, total BULL!! We accept that we lost to a vastly superior team, and we know we've got to fix it. Speaking of sore losers, I know from my time in NZ that there is also such a thing as bad winners..i.e the All Blacks

(Sorry about all the swipes at NZ...for the most part I love the place)

Posted 10:51 28th June 2012

GCP_JONES says...

new_j4a.....

WOW there,back up the truck, "Irish Swill for Irish Swine", I have only noticed you posting recently, but can you please explain the need to include statements like that.

Its a rugby match, no one died, go out and get a life.

Posted 10:02 28th June 2012

new_j4a says...

Toland on the scrum in the 74th minute: "Four minutes later with the score 19-19, Ireland are in the All Blacks¿ half with a put in. The initial hit is good but under immense pressure, sub tighthead Ben Franks drops his bind and Owens, standing right in front of the action, calls a reset; why no penalty? Considering the previous scrums where Ireland had totally demolished the All Blacks the next few moments are bizarre." Firstly Toland is WRONG when he says this "Ireland are in the All Blacks¿ half with a put in" Weepu has the put in! And the ball never goes in: the scrum is never steady enough and then both the AB tight head and the Irish loose head angle in and the scrum collapses BEFORE the put in!!! So why does Toland expect a penalty? Well its simple really. Ireland needs a penalty to win. Toland is Irish. So in spite of NOT being a qualified ref and in spite of being a very long way from the action and obviously having a fairly loose acquaintance with the Laws of the game....he calls Owens a cheat. What a prat!

Toland says..."On the reset in the 75th minute, ....blah, blah,blah and lots of smoke......It is criminal that Owens¿ interpretation is ¿not a straight wheel, you are running it around¿." If anyone out there does NOT think that the Irish 8 has broken his bind before the scrum is 45 deg AND IS WHEELING THE SCRUM then you are both blind and biased and probably don't know the Laws.

I think I'm going to stand by my first statement: Irish Swill for Irish Swine. You pathetic eejits are worse than the french.

Posted 23:58 27th June 2012

new_j4a says...

Toland 2: "On 39 minutes and 22 seconds, Cian Healy ...etc....l. Beyond the drive, McFadden goes to ground but with no material effect on the ball or the All Black ability to contest the ball. Owens pings McFadden, declaring ¿off your feet¿."

Well this is just a lie by Toland. Owens pings 2 players McFadden AND green 4. Owens clearly says "Off you feet" to McFadden AND "He is rolling over the ball as well" to the lock. Both players are not supporting their weight on their feet and they are sealing off the ball....legitimate penalty. Toland doesn't give the times for the supposed 12 counter examples ....why would he? Easier just to slander and move on.

Posted 22:48 27th June 2012

crunchfit says...

@new_j4a

Actually, I think I made a mistake. The incident doesn't seem to have happened in the 57th minute (I've just watched the match for the first time today). There wasn't even a maul during that period. It's strange how you claim to have seen it though...

Anyway, I was just pointing out another similar incident while PR was making the point about bias, etc.

Posted 21:03 27th June 2012

Ramage says...

@curates egg Kiss is an Australian surely you know that.

Alan Lewis was dropped from the International panel because he was so far behind play in his last few tests and so unfit he was becoming an embarrassment. So he was mercifully dropped and he promptly retired.

Posted 12:56 27th June 2012

curates_egg says...

@new_j4a wow there sailor - those in glass houses and all that...

How about you play the ball and not the man. Lets start with Toland's analysis - assuming you have read it (which I doubt) - on which points was it wrong? It was a technical analysis of IRB law interpretations, so it is hard to understand arguments of bias (and Toland is not biased - unlike other Irish correspondents).

As for Owens utter lack of professionalism, that is indeed my opinion - isn't that what every post on this thread is: an opinion?

As I said, play the ball and not the man - it makes any post (of which all are opinions) slightly more credible.

Posted 11:34 27th June 2012