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Waz4before says...

Dreadful game by any standards. It goes to show just how over-rated France were going into this tournament - and for Wales, they weren't as bad as their recent record suggested and will be very happy with this win. Evn the style of the win shouldn't bother them, they hav a shot now at retaining their title ...

Posted 21:22 09th February 2013

Michtymauler says...

Well, following the earlier match, that was boring and painful! True, Wales ground out the win.. the match certainly ground me down! Great try at the end though and well taken by a big lad in such a small area to manoeuvre..

I did kind of like it when the Taffs were on a losing streak.. Not because they were getting beat however as I think they've a fantastic back line. No it's just that now the welsh fans have crawled out of the woodwork and ridiculously shouting about how fab they are after beating one of the worst French teams I've ever seen.. Two weeks in a row!!!

This is a very open Six nations.. whichis a good thing.. It's going to be very interesting in two weeks time...

Posted 21:20 09th February 2013

new_j4a says...

I am with you melkdave. I will put money on France to beat either Ireland or England and maybe both...the beast is wounded and we all know that the French are capable of rugby head and shoulders above what anyone else is able to produce in the NH

Posted 21:18 09th February 2013

jamesliveinhope says...

@dannyboy agreed standard has fallen dramatically BUT only one of the teams playing today was a winner last week and, despite their result, Italy probably played the most structured and coherent game of rugby .

To be fair, scrummaging on a big green beach towel prevented either side gaining any sort of attacking platform from the set piece but, how did France put so many passes down in that final 20? Jonathan Davies made the comment that both sides were playing not to lose - looked more to me that they were both playing not to win even the North try looked like an attempted touch find gone wrong.

Posted 21:17 09th February 2013

KiwiRooster says...

@ArmchairGeneral you cannot argue that France has always picked players were they do not belong, even at club level.

If you compare New Zealand and France, once can only realise how little understanding there is in France of how carefully a utility player should be used.

A utility player is not there to replace the actual specialist at every position; except in France.

So while I understand Bernard Laporte did not have the array of players Philippe Saint-André has today, only he could pick Damien Traille at 15 or Sébastien Chabal at 7. And that unfortunately is so typical of French rugby. This way of experimenting half-arsed options when the game matters most.

Michalak at 9 is another good one everyone in France tend to forget. What position was Michalak used at when Stade Toulousain was at their all time France and European best? The answer is: at number 10. What position was Michalak most commonly used at when playing for the Durban Sharks? The answer is: at number 10 (only used at 9 as a utility player, not the other way round!) This is where the French playmaker is at his best. Fact.

And what can you hear today from his critics? Play Michalak at 9 (sure thing) given that is where Bernard Laporte plays him at RC Toulon. Guy Novès lately admit playing Michalak at 9 in the latter years was a mistake. Laporte also announced that should Johnny Wilkinson decide to retire from rugby this year, Michalak will recover his number 10 jersey for RC Toulon. And yet, people just do not seem to comprehend, they still want Michalak at 9.

And that for me is so typically French. I mean take Luke McAllister who played more often at 12 than 10 in New Zealand, Overthere, they have such an understanding of the reality facing utility players, even when they have one as brilliant as McAllister, he remains nothing more than a replacement solution at 10.

Posted 21:13 09th February 2013

new_j4a says...

I am with you melkdave. I will put money on France to beat either Irel

Posted 21:11 09th February 2013

3in4 says...

Dreadful game with two utterly rubbish teams.

Posted 20:55 09th February 2013

KiwiRooster says...

Saint-André is trapped in his own certitude. With Fall out on injury, he is now left with no credible options at the back and that is how we will end up with Trinh-Duc at fullback...

France can already forget about this year's 6 Nations and Saint-André has lost valuable time and an even more valuable opportunity to make any impression.

To salvage this tournament, his team will have to defeat England in Twickenham and I cannot see that happening without switching a few players at the very least:

If Saint-André was to stop his pointless experimentations, we could well see what is in my view the most exciting pair of centres in Europe: Fofana-Bastareaud. There is no better combination of speed and raw power, no better defense as well. France will thouroughly need it against England

Saint-André current undoing is his lack of choice from the bench. There are no wingers left. Should Benjamin Fall be out of the Tournament, Saint-André would have to bring someone else from his last list: possibly an out of form Médard (the only utility player), an unexperienced Bonneval or a specialist fullback in Buttin. Palisson (another good utility player) was not on his list, neither was the excellent Marvin O'Connor (specialist winger) and that was certainly Saint-André's biggest failure to ignite.

So in the current state, it seems Saint-André has no choice but to leave Fofana on the wing, which pretty much makes that 6N tournament a pointless act for France after such good november test matches.

This means the French "genius" of a coach will certainly have to do his best with:

Fofana (14) Fritz (12) Bastareaud (13) Fall (11)

Huget (15)

or if Fall turns out to be out of the tournament:

Fofana (14) Fritz (12) Bastareaud (13) Huget (11)

Trinh-Duc (15)

In this current shape: expect a very long and painful encounter with England. France will be lucky to escape with a few limbs.

Posted 20:34 09th February 2013

astrospange says...

Poor game and poor reffing

Posted 20:24 09th February 2013

Lucasrg says...

Ulala...thanks mother earth I'm not Franch today. !

Posted 20:23 09th February 2013

Dannyboy says...

Crap game, crap weekend of rugby so far, we we're spoilt last week. Tomorrow better be better or I quit!

Posted 20:16 09th February 2013

ArmchairGeneral says...

France are supposed to be unpredictable because they try things and some times they fail spectacularly and sometimes the come off fantastically. I get fed up with people saying this is so French. Admittedly sometimes they just don't show up for away games but really this is not typically French. It's bad, really bad, but not typical old France. The problem is they look like... Bad England not typical French.

Posted 20:03 09th February 2013

Stellenbosched2 says...

Hi ericmarseille

I can feel your pain in your post. At least you have the manners to congratulate Wales. I have said it many times, you can't have the strongest club system (made so by buying in foreign players) and expect your national side to perform.

I would also like to add that one of the major negatives about professional rugby is that it has destroyed the glory of French rugby. The natural ability to attack devestatingly from any area of the field is a distant memory. Very sad for me.

Posted 19:56 09th February 2013

Kent says...

Welshy mate - totally agree with you. Great thing for me was that Wales were able to slug it out. I thought Ian Evans had his best game for Wales

Posted 19:45 09th February 2013

Kent says...

Welshy mate - totally agree with you. Great thing for me was that Wales were able to slug it out. I thought Ian Evans had his best game for Wales

Posted 19:45 09th February 2013

sirtidychris says...

Wow that was like watching england 2004-2010 play, terrible boring rugby and what the heck was going on with that pitch ?? Some big changes needed Trinh-Duc at 10, parra at 9 and fofana at 13. Well done wales not sure either team deserved to win this but france wanted it less, will need to up the intensity to win another game though.

Posted 19:45 09th February 2013

1st58 says...

@makemehappy - you are perfectly entitled to engage low as long as shoulders are not below hips - Jones was simply going to ground and really should have been carded.

Posted 19:41 09th February 2013

PontySurrey says...

Sir Robert Howley?

Posted 19:39 09th February 2013

Sheridan says...

One of the richest unions in the world and they still haven't sorted out the pitch, the big stadium in the capitol Paris, an absolute disgrace! (Remember the Ireland game called off 'cos of no under soil heating) And now this, the scrums were a farce, may as well have been on the beach.

Posted 19:39 09th February 2013

Spartacus says...

This Wales team is worse than the Italy that France lost to last week. They are getting worse! Sack PSA today and get in Mallet/Cotter/anyone with a brain.

A lot of good individual performances from the players, but the overall set up and selections are wrong.

Posted 19:37 09th February 2013

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