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sbobrfc says...

I'm still surprised that everyone seems to have ignored Aaron Cruden?!?! he's shown incredible maturity in leading the Chiefs to a Super title, and responds excellently whenever Danny boy pulls a muscle for the AIG AB's, he really deserves more credit than he's getting - in my view. He'll be the finished product in 2-3 years, and will end up as everyone's all time 10 within 5 years. (That Beauden Barrett isn't too bad either, if only he were Pommish...)

Posted 14:41 24th December 2012

Trinats2 says...

new_j4a:

For once I wasn't referring to Aus. There were heaps better players throughout the year, and if put into this all blacks side would have owned the position. I couldn't take the team serious when I saw sonny Williams in there, he had a couple of good games against weak teams (as he does in league) but goes missing against good teams. Also wouldn't have Sharpe in there, and he wouldn't if Horwill was fit.

As for McCaw, he was only picked on reputation. As great as he was there were heaps ( two i could name ) better 7 throughout this year.

You and your family have a wonderful and safe Xmas and New Years.

God bless.

Posted 21:34 21st December 2012

hellovanite says...

Ok Sona is not the best scrummager going but as nzmaoriboy said he will get better. I personally thought that earlier in the season for the chiefs he was a wee bit loose with his bind and tended to drop his shoulder as a result but nonetheless handled his own and continued to improve. There is no doubt that he is a confidence player, so give him time. Mr Rosbif made some veiled comments regarding the standard we are used to in the SH and as I do, I took um-bridge to his taunting. Nothing more and nothing less than that. :)

Posted 19:40 20th December 2012

new_j4a says...

@Trinats, Genia is head and shoulders above RP. Love Beale, but where to put him? Cooper excelled with the water bottles, but that position wasn't up for discussion. Higginbotham, Harris the kiwi, and Ioane certainly make the world B team. Who else? Pretty much the bottom of the barrel now? Anyway, have a GREAT Christmas and New Year break and we'll see you in 2013

Posted 17:24 20th December 2012

Norm says...

Cheers PR

I am not surprised to see Best here and yes I am an ulster fan. This is not just from the last 12 months either, he was the best hooker at last years world cup by several country miles. yes the Irish scrum collapsed in Twickenham last year but hey the guy cant prop and hook simultaneously now can he.

Long overdue respect for a great player. Wrong to call him as national skipper last year he is better focused on the role he does best, excuse the pun!

Posted 12:10 20th December 2012

TVaddict says...

@JayStarr

You must be Etzebeth's grandmother. I've never known any normal fan to get so sensitive over so small an incident. Was that the first game of rugby you'd watched? Considering your reaction maybe you should stick to something less intense like bowls or curling, or maybe even just some weekly charades with the other old folks.

@bloemboy

Silly boy.

Posted 11:57 20th December 2012

hellovanite says...

Posted 10:34 20th December 2012

Trinats2 says...

PR HQ, let me guess (not just from these selections) poms and saffas only in your office ?

Posted 09:54 20th December 2012

Rugga68 says...

I'm a South African, but I really don't think Ruan Pienaar where the best scrumhalve, maybe top 4!

Posted 07:25 20th December 2012

ferdie says...

I'd like a new weigh-in for Census Johnston 140kg? - when he played here (one season,Taranaki) in 2006 he was recorded as being 138kg; couldn't retain a place in the team, Now I watch him in Top 14 he's far more mobile, faster, must have lost a few kgs -ST site has him at 130.

Posted 23:45 19th December 2012

jash says...

hopeless team...McCaw did not play whole season in Super Rugby but he get the nod...rubbisg lineup...faviruing NZ palyers only...Manu Tuilagi should have been the center instead of Smith...Planet rugby forgot what he did to ABs..

Posted 23:36 19th December 2012

hellovanite says...

Obviously I'm not too good at sarcasm :*(

Posted 19:25 19th December 2012

JayStarr says...

Fair team and mentions all around... except you also did not mention Andre Taylor! The top try-scorer in the top try-scoring tournament - from February to August - and no mention! He was better than Dagg the entire Super Rugby tournament. He might not have had a shot with the All Blacks, but while he WAS playing there was no better full-back than Andre Taylor!

As for your Bakkies-Botha-reputation comments about Eben Etzebeth: He has done nothing in South Africa or Super Rugby to give him such a reputation... And he has done nothing on the international scene either - it is just the UK media (and "citing officers") who decided to label him as such. You actually looked at an incident where an English player grabbed him by the throat, Etzebeth pushing the English player in the face to get him off him, and then having another 5 English players jump him, hitting him with a swinging arm and choking him again on the ground and say that it was ETZEBETH who was the thug! An Englisman also entirely falsely accused him of eye-gouging... So it is YOU who should get rid of your "big bad bully Sprinboks" mentality and stop believing your own hype. Eben Etzebeth never has been and never will be Bakkies Botha.

Posted 19:22 19th December 2012

Rosbif says...

@APV1, my old friend, it's nice to know I am not the only one out there in the ether who thinks T was a smidgen lucky to get the nod. Again, I am the first to say he is a joy to watch in full flow, and was clearly a big personality in that brilliant Chiefs team, but (and maybe I'm old fashioned here and biased since I used to play in the second row) I like my props to scrummage a bit too.

Meanwhile. may I say "Seasons Greetings" and wish the best to all @PR and the readership. I certainly did not mean to start a SH vs NH war (or S15 vs HCup or variations on the theme) the week before Xmas.

:-)

Posted 19:02 19th December 2012

nzmaoriboy says...

@rosbif- You may find mate that scrummaging has a lot to do with the collective effort as well as the personal tools of a said Prop. I played top level rugby in NZ (in the front row) & generally found the higher I went up the grades the easier the rugby became as you were working with fitter stronger & smarter players. I also remember having to go back to club rugby after the Air NZ cup & playing against these old shapeless salty dogs that gave me a lot of trouble in the scrums simply due to the fact their only SKILL they possessed was to break backs at scrum time & nothing else he he. Sona will get better as he learns & trains with his team! he ain't no slouch he did do well with the chiefs whom crushed the Saders/All blacks pack!. Just look at how far Census & Tongihua have come! I played with/against them in NZ and they couldn't even make the Super rugby teams as their scrummaging was average they got pushed to pillar & post in our national campaigns...their is no doubt however that they are now better players but it has taken them a long time to get to where they are. Sona's had a good year reverse the qualities and tell me how many other props would score and have a better work rate than Sona??

Posted 18:55 19th December 2012

golden_statenba says...

@Toulousain

Please Please!!!! for the love of rugby I hope France win the 6n.

I hope they are all in good moods and show no mercy.

Would be great to see that great team fire and would make for and exciting series in NZ

France must be the only NH side that threatens the ABs on home soil.

Posted 18:44 19th December 2012

Toulousain says...

bloemboy, you are funny! i had heard the hcup vs s15 thing a few times, but 6n vs s15, now you are smoking dope mon ami..... i can't speak for the other 6N teams, but maybe you forgot france is in that tournament too? rwc runner-up last year, best record overall at rwcs at making it to semis (tied with nz), currently ranked 4th in the world, ring any bells? hmmm, hardly a match for rebels or lions or cheetahs or ANOther s15 team, eh...?

by the way, your list of french players is interesting (if a little short). you might add servat, dusautoir, bonnaire and harionordoquy, and that's just in the pack.....

merry xmas and happy smoking :-)

Posted 13:51 19th December 2012

APV1 says...

@ hellovanite - for a usually sensible chap, your head must have just imploded. You may not realise it, but this is what you wrote:

"No I've never seen a better scrummager than Taumalolo". Now unless I've misunderstood your post - it's a distinct possibility - you're suggesting that Taumalolo is the best scrummager you've ever seen. Not the best prop, but the best *scrummager*.

So unless you've only ever watched him scrummage and have ignored all other props in the world, you've got it plain wrong. There are many, MANY better scrummaging props in the world, past and present.

A quick list off the top of my head (LH & TH)

Cole

Sheridan

Hayman

Beast

Tongahuia

Mujarti

Barnes

Healy

Johnston

Budgen

Jones

Wilson

Roncero

Castrogiovanni

Mas

Os du Randt

Vickery

Leonard

And that's a small sample from the top of my head. My English bias naturally made me lean in that direction, but ask anyone for their list of "better scrummaging props than Taumalolo" and they'll add plenty more.

I think you need a break, my freind, the pressure's starting to show.

Posted 12:40 19th December 2012

Rosbif says...

@hellovanite. Here's an early xmas present for you...

http://www.vipbox.tv/

Free rugby on your laptop. How great is that! All the Top 14 games are on it. Feel free to watch any of Perpignan's forthcoming games (Montpellier at home Dec 22nd, Toulon away dec 30th) while there's not much SH rugby going on.... Then we can have a proper talk about Taumalolo in the New Year perhaps?

@new_j4a. hehehe yes, I've been working on my trolling skills, but I'm afraid my heart isn't really in it! 25 degrees and sunny here in Rondebosch. Kids in the pool. Beer in the fridge. Cricket on the radio. Must remember to do my daily run around the RBHS playing fields a little earlier tomorrow before the sun gets too high! Happy Xmas to you and yours too :-)

Posted 10:04 19th December 2012

neckbones1 says...

Taumalolo schooled Owen Franks in the Crusaders-Chiefs mid season game. Then he schooled the French prop in RWC when Tonga won. Then he became top tryscoring forward in Super Rugby. He was also top metre gainer forward in the Super Rugby. Against Wallaby, Springbok and All Black forwards. Taumalolo is the best prop of the year. Case closed. You don't have to play for a major rugby nation to be considered a major player.

Posted 09:42 19th December 2012

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