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caramba13 says...

Short memories on PL: not so long ago - in fact the last two matches between Aussies and Irish - June 2010 and Nov 2009 - the result was vey close. A draw in Dublin and a 5 point win in Brisbane for Australia. My point is that after both those matches pundits were saying that the Australian scrum was not up to World Cup standards and that they'd have difficulties getting beyond the QF. Then came their trashing of a de-motivated French team in Paris at end of 2010 and everyone forgot about the weaknesses exposed by the Irish.

It's a pity, but the Australian team in NZ today cannot expect to get very far with their present scrum .. and without Matt Giteau. They will certainly beat a very mediocre SA team but will get whipped by the ABs.

On the other side of the draw Ireland will fall to France - especially if Clerc is playing. They just choke at the sight of the man.

Posted 17:25 19th September 2011

melkdave says...

Dont know why you think NZ suppoters cheering for Ireland is strange .After all you beat the ABs in the 3N ,You are regarded as their closet rivals to lift bill and i suspect alot of NZ are of Irish descent.. Also if i remember there was alot of crowing from the Australian media about how good a side the wallabies are and alot of disrespect for the other teams espically NZ after the 3N.That arrogance is going to put alot of peoples hackels up for sure.Now im english and we have a great rivalary with the other home nations but i never rubbish their teams like the aussie media did/dose and neither dose our press and i cheer them on against other teams except England of course mainly because ive got welsh -irish and scottish cousins ect lol

Posted 13:54 19th September 2011

blametheref says...

Australia are still in this tournament big time, this defeat will only strenghten them I believe....but what's getting me is so many of the media going on about the loss of Moore and Pocock, both great players, but Ireland could easily lament the losses of Flannery and D. Wallace; so on that score all's even!

Posted 13:31 19th September 2011

KiwiLad says...

BDAussie, yes it is quite odd, the very anti Aus sentiment flowing about NZ at present, but lets look a little closer.

Many in NZ resent the fact that you have an X AB coaching your national side, rightly of wrongly.

Your Tokoroa born 10, who seems to go out of his way to put cheap shots into our Captain, a Captain worshiped by many, upsets more than a few, and your x AB coaches reluctance to condone his behaviour.

The fact that pre tournament, you were widely regarded as the side most likely to stop us winning yet another RWC is probably a distant third.

Posted 07:38 19th September 2011

BDAUSSIE says...

Classic wallabies....all too often the forwards fail to turn up. No reason why the forwards cant match it with the best packs, the tri-nations is a good example of that. but the forward pack like clockwork become complacent after 2 or 3 games. The lose of Moore and Pocock on game day obviously had a negative effect. Wasn't ready to start.

In the end, a win at this stage of the tournament might do us a world of good. We were a bit over confident.

BTW - now that we are not the form team in New Zealand, are the New Zealand public going to stop cheering for our opponents. I find it very disappointing, near insulting that our Anzac brothers want so badly for us to fail. It's a sad indictment of the New Zealand community.

Posted 05:03 19th September 2011

coronach says...

Hosky - maybe you're right! Oz have beaten SA 4 out of 5 since July last year, 2 at home, 2 away.

Some say the loser of NZ-France have the better future too, not sure, winners like to win, but sometimes a tactical loss . . . ?

Posted 03:30 19th September 2011

sandal says...

Hosky, if you believe Deans persuaded his team to lose to Ireland you know nothing about sport and nothing about either Australians or New Zealanders. You also show great disrepect to Ireland. I think your posting one of the most foolish I have ever read.

Posted 02:59 19th September 2011

LeftRightOut says...

No team has ever lost a pool match and then gone on to win the World Cup. Just saying....

Posted 23:37 18th September 2011

Gstarmayhem says...

Tri nats are you going to get your A team out now??!!! Tactical genius my butt, they will have to lift a few notches as the bokkes will have their tales up, if they manage that then the ABs..they owe you from the brizzy game and guess what it's at your favorite ground Eden park. Also provided that the ABs get there aswell but it's looking pretty likely....

Posted 22:35 18th September 2011

Fatflanker says...

Hah, never any shortage of hyenas when there's an Aussie carcus to be had eh? Fair enough - we are the France of the South Pacific consistency-wise. Well played Ireland - look forward to seeing you go on to big things. I see people here describing the Irish scrum as only average...is that right? Didn't see the 6N but had heard the Irish scrum monstered the English pack, among others.

Posted 20:31 18th September 2011

Hosky says...

Deans is a tactical genius. Lose to Ireland, finish 2nd in the pool and avoid playing England in the semis who the Wallabies always struggle against. Instead play South Africa in the quarters who they have beaten the last few outings and play NZ in the semis.....a far better prospect than facing the All Blacks in the finals at Eden Park. What a strategy !!

Posted 13:56 18th September 2011

melkdave says...

@careleone

The NH teams have known for at least a year the best way to beat Australia.beat the pack and starve them of ball if if they get any get right up in Genias / Coopers face.I was surprised Italy did so many garryowns to be honest expected them to run at the wallabies alot more ect.as 1 bad kick can give the backs space and Australia then can play on fthe front foot Its known Cooper cant play when on the back foot .Big mistake not picking Gitaeu but thats history.

Posted 12:15 18th September 2011

NHsaints says...

Well considering Ireland had all of Nz behind them it shouldn't have been so surprising that when they got on the front foot that they weren't going to lose, Kurtley was exceptional as usual...the only highlight of a very lacking oz team, everyone has them figured out...and I hate to point it out robbie but Irelands scrum actually struggles against France, England, South Africa and sometimes Nz which means comparatively they don't have a very good scrum...the lack of quality forwards in oz is going to seriously let them down...as it is the only real quality forwards are pocock, samo and moore and two of those three were injured.

Posted 11:25 18th September 2011

Carpelone says...

As suspected, Genia unveiled too many of his tricks in the 3N, and opponents are capable to shut him down.

Australia depends largely from Pocock (whose recovery balls are instrumental to feed Oz's backline and to slow down the ball, both of these two elements were missing yesterday) and above all Ioane, who plays from himself and for the clown.

Ioane was in the flyhalf defensive position when he produced the break thatled to Oz first try vs Italy. This was the turning point of the game.

Having QC in the team is a liability, as you need to adapt continuously your backline depending upon if you are attacking or defending.

If you add up that Oz peaked 1 month ago, then the result is well explained.

Ireland was nothing but ordinary and this adds insult to injury.

Posted 10:38 18th September 2011

KiwiLad says...

Australia will be better for this defeat????? You have been saying that for nearly four years Robbie, how much learning from defeat can any one tam take????

Posted 09:42 18th September 2011

melkdave says...

~cuw31

You ansewred your own question Cooper SHOWBOATS about all his good for imo very overated .Ill agree CS was a hell of alot better flyhalf than Cooper in almost all parts of play only on breaks are they equl imo

Posted 08:30 18th September 2011

KiwiLad says...

cuw31 I did say he was an impersonator, not the real thing..

Posted 08:26 18th September 2011

KiwiLad says...

I have said it all year, and will say it again

This Wobblie side looks very similar to the AB side coached by Robbie Deans and John Mitchell in 2003, flashy backs and no substance to the fowards.

They even have a Carlos Spencer impersonator at 10.

That said, Ireland produced the performance we all know they are capable of, and only hope they produce against someone else..

Posted 02:47 18th September 2011

Ridgeback says...

Pathetic inept performance by Team and Coaching Staff...the Irish scrum was efficient as is the AB's, England, Wales, France and the Bok's.

You forgot your Bench Robbie!

Where to from here Robbie?

Posted 01:43 18th September 2011

exdigger says...

Another kiwi intent who ruined our night...

Posted 00:00 18th September 2011

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