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05th March 2013 07:22

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Tough calls: Lions back-row

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The back-row battle
By Tom Kelly

The halfway point of the 2013 Six Nations has now been and gone and whilst the progress of England and Scotland has pleased, surprised and intrigued all who have stood by, it has also made attempts to decipher a Lions squad all the more tricky.

With endless discussion and debate that only shows signs of augmenting, it is difficult to remember what general fans of rugby actually talk about when a Lions tour is not right around the corner. At the centre of much of the debate is the remarkable plethora of talent that is to be found in the back-row, where potential captains and proven top class performers are plentiful.

Only six months ago, the likes of Stephen Ferris, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton and Jamie Heaslip were nailed on tourists and potentially key leaders for Warren Gatland's party. However, the brutal nature of rugby has since disrupted this assumption quite drastically. Ferris' chances of being fit for the flight are now looking as close to zero as one can get, and if Lydiate does still make the cut for the touring party, it will have to be down to his previous accomplishments over any meaningful contributions in 2013 as he too battles with injury. Warburton and Heaslip meanwhile, have seen their stocks fall drastically over the opening three weekends of the Six Nations as form seems to have waved the captains of Wales and Ireland firmly goodbye.

Yet hope remains, the ever increasing admiration of England captain Chris Robshaw has surely now - providing he stays injury free - secured his place on the plane to Australia. The Scottish revival under Scott Johnson and Dean Ryan has also shortened the odds on Kelly Brown and Johnnie Beattie making the trip. Brown has always been a tremendous defensive unit, but has recently added a superb leadership quality built around his commitment and desire to improve, whilst Beattie's revival at Montpellier has reminded those who had forgotten, what a threat the man from Glasgow can be with ball in hand.

Throw in to the pot the likes of Sean O'Brien of Ireland, Justin Tipuric and Toby Faletau of Wales and Tom Wood and Ben Morgan from England, and the selection dilemmas around the three available positions become all the more visible. Wood's versatility and O'Brien's gain-line success rate make both men likely tourists, the other few places available are far more debateable.

Of course, a Lions tour would not be right without the odd wildcard selection and the remarkable form of Toulon's (and formerly England's) Steffon Armitage puts the former London Irish man firmly in the frame, particularly if Gatland wishes to go for a traditional ball-pinching seven.

There is little doubting that part of the reason so much debate surrounds the picking of loose forwards is a reaction to David Pocock, the possible Australian captain and turnover-titan of world rugby. Although his young protégé Michael Hooper may have stolen the limelight at times during the end-of-year internationals, the Brumbies' openside is one of the key men for the Lions squad to marshal come June.

As a reaction to Pocock's brilliance at the breakdown, there have been calls for an 'out and out seven' to combat his prowess. If Gatland is to go in this direction and look to secure a poacher at openside and fight fire with fire at the breakdown, it is unlikely that this will extinguish Pocock's threat.

It is important to remember that an openside's job is not to stop his opposite number, if the Lions are to succeed in stopping Pocock's disruptive nature, the fight will have to be won by the whole eight. Hooper's remarkable performance at Twickenham in November stemmed from an Australian front five which, despite all of the doubters (and there were many), more than held their own against the men in purple.

Despite England's struggles that day, it was their performance two weeks later when defeating the All Blacks which should demonstrate how to remove the Pocock threat. At the breakdown England were inspired, and as good a game as Robshaw had, it was not the England captain that kept opposite number and openside Richie McCaw as quiet as I have ever seen him, but the likes of Tom Youngs, Joe Launchbury and Wood who smashed every ruck with exceptional intensity.

It is therefore not a matter of trying to match the Wallaby threat. The Lions back-row will have remarkable depth regardless of who boards the plane. Therefore selection should and, knowing Gatland, will be based predominantly on form and temperament above all else. It will not be an easy decision to make.

Comments

lawynd says...

@BMakka8 - whilst I'm as big a fan of Croft as anyone else, he's barely played a handful of games so far for Leicester since his injury return, and he still has a metal plate in his neck. Give the lad some time!

That said, if he does play this weekend against Italy as some news outlets are sugesting and is part of a successful domestic or European campaign for Leicester, who knows?

Posted 12:04 07th March 2013

BMakka8 says...

I'd like to throw Tom Croft in to the mix too. He has been fantastic since coming back from injury and has put on a bit of the weight and muscle he was missing, seemingly without losing pace.

Posted 10:11 07th March 2013

ABlack says...

Gatland has to get the right mix of the loosies for the test like the All Blacks have and also the Wallabies with Pocock or Hooper,Higginbotham, Palu as the best fit as a loosie unit. If Gatland dosnt get that mix right then the Lions are in trouble.

I believe he will go with combinations as much as poss and have Robshaw,Wood, Morgan who have played together a bit now as test trio. Any other combo and he lessens the impact of the loosies against what will be a big challenge for the Lions in this area of the game.

Posted 18:55 06th March 2013

lawynd says...

Cheers, Ed!

I think Lydiate and Warburton are stretches at best - they're not the form players in their positions and they've played only a fraction of the rugby that everyone else has this season. I agree with all of the other selections though, and would simply promote Justin Tipuric to that group instead of Warburton and Morgan; only one specialist 8 is sub-optimal, IMO.

Posted 15:17 06th March 2013

TVaddict says...

Agreed! I think said the same thing on a comment the other day.

Posted 20:56 05th March 2013

ironmanI441 says...

Good article and spot on. A 7 is not made to negate other 7's. Simply not the way it works, yeah occasionally it happens that a 7 is clearing out the opposing 7, but it isn't like it is a man marking system or something which is the way some commentators have made it seem.

However I do think a fetcher is a great asset as it does tend to not only create turnovers, but also slow down ball it doesn't turn, and also every attract more forwards to every ruck the fetcher goes into out of fear of being turned. Bascially a good fetcher slows down and thins out the attack if he does his job properly. Enter Steffon Armitage who has been tripping the lights fantastic for 2 seasons now.

If you want to counter Pocock and Hooper (who is nearly as good and lightning quick with the ball in hand) then you need someone who is physical as hell and quick to the breakdown. This is where your locks need to be on form, but also Tom Wood is the perfect counter as he is aggressive and a great athlete, or alternatively Robshaw, however my problem with Robshaw in the Lions is he isa great leader and a great worker, but where does he play? Not 8, I would def play S. Armitage at 7, and Tom Wood is my ideal 6.

My test lions: 6- Tom Wood, 7- Steffon Armitage, 8- Faletau/Beattie

Posted 13:25 05th March 2013

APV1 says...

A nicely written piece - thank you.

When-ever this debate is raised, I always like to refer people back to Richard Hill's PR article from June 2011:

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,,16017_6971148,00.html

It's not the number on the back that matters, but the roles that person plays and how they compliment their team-mates.

One worrying aspect stems from this statement:

" Whilst we still played 8, open and blind, our roles were skill based, more so than positionally based and we became a 'team within a team'."

Whoever pulls on the red jersey will need to be a quick integrator (is that a word?) to form this 'team within a team'.

Posted 12:21 05th March 2013

Top_Kat says...

My back row

6 - O'Brien

7 - Robshaw

8 - Faletau

Warburton, Lydiate and Heaslip do not deserve to go.

Posted 11:30 05th March 2013

Frooschman says...

@ bluechief I think back in 2001 Richard Hill was an openside. He was only moved to the blind later by England to accomodate Neil Back. If memory serves he played all his club and international rugby in that period wearing seven.

Not much to add to the letter writer's missive. We don't have anyone who is as good as Pocock at what he does. So any attempts to play like-for-like must logically be doomed to failure. The alternative is to play differently and to dominate the tight five. Which leads me to wonder whether the more pertinent question is not so much the back row where we have an embarrassment of riches, but the front row. While Steffon Armitage may well travel I wonder if he will be the only tourist from Toulon. No not Wilkinson! Sheridan.

Posted 10:19 05th March 2013

lawynd says...

Well written, although Tom disappoints me by not throwing his own selection out there. ;)

The editor says.... This was Tom's selection: My 8 Back Row Touring members: Chris Robshaw, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton, Toby Faletau, Tom Wood, Kelly Brown, Steffon Armatige, Sean O¿Brien. Reserves: Jonnie Beattie, Ben Morgan, Justin Tipuric, Ryan Jones

Posted 09:57 05th March 2013

bluechief says...

in 2001, all the talk was about keeping George Smith, then the turnover king, quiet with a 'proper' 7. in the end the back row was Quinnell, Corry and Hill, and although none of them were a 7, they smashed Smith off the ball every time he looked at it. Cut to 2013, and I'm worried about including Warburton just to combat Pocock. Tipuric deserves to go on performance, Warburton doesn't deserve to go on performance or just because he's a 7...

Posted 09:46 05th March 2013

melkdave says...

The OP is so right,it isnt just Pocock,and Hooper the Lions have to beat.Its the entire wallaby packThe Lions have to win the scrum,and edge /disrupt the wallaby lineout,and most of important of all the breakdown..Its not going to be easy,Australia showed great commitment and fighting sprit this last year,and unearthed some new class players like Hooper,Timani,and Shippley.It will also be important the Lions neutralise W.Genia and the versatily AA.Cooper espically if playing in the centers.W here he always seems to give them go forward ball.If the Lions can do all that they should be victorious.But as i said doing all that isnt going to be easy .

Posted 09:43 05th March 2013

3in4 says...

What progress have Scotland made?

Posted 09:09 05th March 2013

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