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I'm English and I'm disgusted by the behaviour of tiny group of super-rich fat millionaires who basically don't give a damn about rugby fans, be them celtic, french or english. RFU. Get rid of the PRL clubs and bring in regions. These selfish slimebags don't deserve to be in the sport.
Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Italy, The majroty of english rugby fans will be as fed up with the english and french clubs as you are, so you have public opinion on your side, stick to your guns and the english clubs and disapear up thier own back sides and everyone will be a winner.
Posted 10:23 23rd August 2012
Funny how Leinster and Munster have both easily finished in the top 6 of the Rabo / Magners since it began (exception 2003-2004 when they both finished outside this and 2002-2003 when Leinster finished 5th in Pool B) and have still won 5 Heineken Cups between them. Did Mark McCafferty even consider or know this? If not, he should probably do some research in the position he's in....
Posted 10:20 23rd August 2012
This is just pathetic whinging. Don't the English and French want rugby union to expand? Automatic qualification from the Celtic league makes sense because it ensures that weaker developing nations like Wales, Scotland and Italy have representation for their clubs in Europe's premier competition, and that they can gain the experience of facing teams from stronger, more established and successful nations like England, France and Ireland. Grow up guys FFS!!!!
Posted 10:16 23rd August 2012
imagine that, french and english clubs agreeing on something, just because they want more tv money for there own coffers
Posted 10:16 23rd August 2012
so you are an advocate of minority quotas instead of merit-based qualification. Those teams not making the grade by qualifying in the top 6 of the Celtic/Italian league can still play European rugby in the ACC. Where's your problem? Thought you Irish people are cosmopolitan!
Posted 10:06 23rd August 2012
As an english supporter i think the AP and TOP 14 teams need to get over themselves, yes its silly that rubbish italian teams walk into the HC but the competition is not just about club rugby but is an amazing chance to build nations for the international level and grows rugby in general. By excluding the italian teams and fringe irish/welsh and scots teams we are stifling them of revenue and also not giving thier players and clubs a chance to progress. This is a case of elitism and bullying around smaller less wealthy nations...get overyourselves, every french and english team gets a shot at european rugby, if you aren't good enough to make the top 5/6 !! then you don't deserve HC qualification, and you will still be playing qaulity french teams in the next tier of european rugby.
Posted 09:59 23rd August 2012
Leinster and Munster (the teams highlighted in the above artical) have finished in the top three of the Celtic League in each of the last 5 seasons. Whether their position was dependant on HC qualification or not, the argument above of resting players as they do not need to worry about qualification is complete nonsense.
What the English and French Leagues want is to dominate the sport at a european level. A focus on their business plans and overall mission would be a far better use of their time, as this is where the real issue lays.
Posted 09:57 23rd August 2012
How can any club, apart from those that aren't good enough to make the top six in the PRO12, have a problem with this? Surely the Heineken will be a much better competition by doing away with the 'easy' matches and keeping the competition open only to the very best teams? Frankly the Irish teams will still be the ones to beat for the foreseeable future!
Posted 09:55 23rd August 2012
Ive argued for many years that the HC qualification should be on merit only.The premier club competion in the NH should be for the best clubs ,and every pool should be looked on as a group of death ,atm those with italian or scottish or with the weaker welsh teams are looked upon as being easier,that shouldnt happen or be.Also as has been said 80%of english and french clubs income comes from their vibrant league matches.Contrast that with Pro12 league games ,where the clubs are lossing money or breaking even.The reason for this is theres nothing in the Pro12 for fans to get excited about ,and be willing to brave the eleaments to support their team.No HC quialification battles ,no relegation battles,and to be honest the Pro12 teams arnt the fans teams atm being regional theres no civic pride at stake ,A bit different in Ireland of course where the old provincle rivalries kick in .The Pro12 has to give fans something to cheer for get excited for ,or attendance numbers will continue to decrease ,while in England and France with vibrant leagues attendances are rising year on year.Proper HC qualification could just be the thing to get fans cheering and excited ,and back watching the excellant rugby those teams are producing,and maybe just maybe get a tv company interested in screening the matches
Posted 09:43 23rd August 2012
This is the bizarrest argument ever. Leinster and Munster consistently have finished in the top 4 positions over the last 5 years. Leinster have twice been in the celtic league final the year they won the heineken cup. Even if you applied the idea of finishing in the top half of the league, Ulster,Munster and Leinster would still qualify each year, much the same as a lot of the premiership and top14 teams. Its down to the teams choosing which they would prefer to win.
Quick question has there ever been a year where Toulouse or Leicester have not been in the Heineken cup.
Posted 09:28 23rd August 2012
picking up the ball and running home crying to mummy/maman
Posted 09:19 23rd August 2012