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@ rorygilmore: Lol... That's ok, she still has a couple of niggles to get over anyway. But yeah, thanks for that - I completely left out Juan de Jongh! The only thing is, HM has made it clear that he considers Steyn to be our no.1 12 - and basically promised him that he will play 12 instead of fullback - so even though your suggestion is really good, I just can't see it happening. I would love to see JdJ come off the bench though... think he provides exactly the kind of impact we need.
@ Craig: Thanks... I just think she's taken her opportunities better than Kirchner has... :P But yeah, I know what you mean - I don't think Steyn and JdV makes a good centre pairing... too similiar. I think HM should either play Steyn or JdV at 12 with Juan de Jongh at 13, or bring Juan de Jongh off the bench, but bring him in at 12 where he can wrong-foot a tiring defense. I personally would love to see our 8-9-10-12 in the last 20 minutes being Daniel, Hougaard, Goosen and De Jongh. But unfortunately that will never happen with HM.
@ Carpelone: See what I said above about Steyn at 15. Bekker was brilliant in his comeback for the Stormers - I'd give him another chance before I write him off. As for Kankowski, I would've loved to see him play, but sounds like his Japanese club won't let him. But HM shouldn't have dropped Keegan! He made a difference when he came on last week, while Potgieter was put on his @*$! time after time... Doesn't make sense.
@ APV1: Of course. But maybe we have it the right way around and everyone else has it the wrong way around... Ever considered that? :P
And about my choice as fullback: she can't run or tackle, but she has a pretty mean up-and-under and can fall over when she gets the ball... So since that is all that is required of our full-back these days, I thought her added experience makes her ideal.
Posted 20:59 29th August 2012
F.steyn was class vs England and has been the reason why Boks have not been beaten twice in the last 3 games re the two draws. I would keep him at 12 for the rest of the 4 nations.
Posted 20:37 29th August 2012
@Rolf, U want a skillful centre pairing? Jaques Fourie and Francois Steyn would be good enough for me, but that wont happen. I still think that Ebershon and Steyn would make for a lively combination though we are short of a world class paring. I will be interested to see how Pollard develops over the next few seasons. He will have to convert to centre or fullback once Goosen gets his hands on the 10 jersey, though what I saw of him, he is a decent player. There is another centre coming through as well that took the player of the tournament at the recent U21 RWC. Serfontein I think. The footage I saw reminded me of Danie Gerber. the boy is pure class.
Posted 18:39 29th August 2012
frans has been a bit average lately, but dont worry, he's class he'll come right, he's just not getting good enough ball
Posted 18:38 29th August 2012
yawn... right, crapleone?
Posted 18:14 29th August 2012
Something tells me Morne will stay at 10 with the Goose warming the bench. I suspect tho that Lambie could replace Kirchner at 15. A wise but unlikely move would be to use JdV & de Jongh as center pairing and use Frans at 15 (with Lambie on the bench)...
Posted 17:27 29th August 2012
Im just gonna throw this out there....
But, does anyone else feel F. Steyn is just not up to standard lately. He runs dead straight and literally has not featured in the last couple of games.
Posted 16:10 29th August 2012
And please can someone get me a skillfull centre pairing - from somewehere?
Posted 16:00 29th August 2012
For all of you happy to see Louw in the squad, let me just add my comments. I am right royally p!$$ed off about his selection. It's an awful thing to have done and I for one think HM should be sacked on that point alone.
Does he not realise that Bath play Worcester on Saturday afternoon? AWAY at Sixways! Damn and blast him!
@ JayStarr - I take it that you're using the Saffa cock-eyed approach to 6 and 7, rather than the accepted and proper way round..?! I do, however, like your choice at full-back. Although you're taking experience over youthful exuberance, I think it's a bold choice and one the Boks need. If only HM could see the obvious choice, as you have done, eh?
Posted 15:04 29th August 2012
He has not mentioned Coenie Oosthuizen who should have been there but for injury. Kirchner and Potgieter still in the squad is a mistery as they can be dropped immediately with only positive effects for the team. Flip vd Merwe is also little more than a tourist, while Morne Steyn will be selected as run on. I sincerely hope that Lambie starts at 15 with Goosen on the bench to play the last 25 minutes. That is all it will take for him to prove beyond a doubt that Morne Steyn has overstayed his welcome.
I would personally have left Kirchner, Potgieter, Greyling, vd Merwe, Steyn and Meyer behind and taken Ludick, Aplon, Daniel, Elstedt / Bakkies Botha / Johan Muller and WP Nel / Kitshoff and Rassie Erasmus / Nick Mallet
Posted 15:01 29th August 2012
Drop Bekker before your grandmother. He never delivers. Choose JdV / De Jongh and bring Steyn at full back (sorry grandma). Start Lambie at 10 and give 25 minutes to Goosen in the second half. Hougaard is better on the wing.
What about Kankowski? Will he be available?
Posted 14:36 29th August 2012
Now just to sort out 1 - 15 so they are Competitive against the top teams !!!!
Posted 14:33 29th August 2012
Well well well Meyer said he wasnt changing his team. Just as well hes not a ollie or he would be accused of telling porkies and be nonelectable. So who got through to him that he needed some players who could play the modern game. It is a start but now we have to see what his game plan is? The game in Perth to me is a defining one to find out just where the Bok and Wallaby teams are in the overall competition. I am looking forward to it.
Posted 14:28 29th August 2012
Jaystarr - better looking team imo, though think there may be a weakness at fullback...
Do you think the Steyn/JdV midfield has got enough spark though? It always confuses me, the SA midfield. SA has had some stunning wingers/fullbacks, but always have these meat and potatoes midfields that never draw extra defenders and never create extra space/opportunites for their outsides. I think F Steyn is a great player, and JdV is magnificent, but they're both quite... Straight.
Sometimes moments of ludicrous brilliance are what wins test matches when two teams are even, as SA/NZ usually are. Is there an x-factor midfielder lurking in Currie Cup somewhere?
Posted 13:48 29th August 2012
@ JayStarr - good comments there. However, I'd drop your grandmother (nothing personal - I think she's lovely, but useless with up & unders) and put Frans Steyn at fullback with Juan deJong partnering Jean DeVilliers. With Pat Lambie distributing from flyhalf they could arguably find their missing mojo! Missing in a Stormer jersey that is. Also, I thought Kankowski was due back in time for Perth....?
Posted 13:23 29th August 2012
Great man HM!! He realised the mistake with the initial selections and moved quickly to rectify it.
Rather than waiting years to watch it fail!!
Posted 13:13 29th August 2012
All the guys he called up are quality players who should've been there in the first place (bar injury / HM's ignorance), so I am very happy to seen them there - espedcially Francois Louw!
However, why did HM drop Keegan Daniel and keep Potgieter? Surely Keegan is more "experienced" and offers a different option... Vermeulen is the same kind of player as Potgieter, only much better, so why is Potgieter still there? Once again HM is contradicting himself.
Also, by not selecting Aplon he is creating a situation where we MUST pick Zane Kirchner (Ricardo Loubser's best buddy). And with either Kirchner or Morné Steyn on the field, we can forget about beating NZ - there or at home. Lambie's best position is fly-half - that is where he played his best rugby this season - but HM has not even given him a chance there yet... no matter how bad Steyn has played. So what chance does Goosen have of getting any (much-needed) game time?
HM said publicly that the two tests against Argentina will be Hougaard and Steyn's "last chance". I believe it is now clear they did not grab that chance sufficiently to hold the others back, so let's see if he now gives Pienaar and Lambie a chance, or whether he finds another excuse to stick with his favourites...
The same goes for the back row. Will he stick with Alberts at 8 now that Keegan is gone? Because he is clearly not a world class 8! Is he going to start Francois Louw? Or is he going to stick with Marcell at 6 so he can play Potgieter at 7?
As far as I'm concerened our best available team right now (barring Daniel and Aplon who were stupidly not included) would be:
1-Beast 2-Strauss 3-Du Plessis
6-Louw 7-Coetzee 8-Vermeulen
9-Pienaar 10 -Lambie
12-F Steyn 13-JdV
11-Hougaard 14-Habana 15-My grandmother
16-Cilliers 17-Greyling 18-Liebenberg 19-Kruger 20- Alberts 21-Goosen 22-Mvovo
Posted 12:54 29th August 2012
At last some good selections from HM,but still no G.Aplon??Lets hope this signals a shift in the bokke gameplan.J.Goosen i feel is the only FH in SA that could get the backline moving and playing an expanded game,while D.Vermuelen is a best 8 atm in SA.Lowe also imo is a good call SA badly need a fetcher.Strange isnt it that only a few days ago HM was saying he wasnt going to pick any new players,thank god he seems to have changed his mind or was overruled,the bokke now look a far better side imho.
Posted 12:54 29th August 2012
Pity that two of SA's most talented players will now not receive any game time. Lambie and Goosen. At least if HM were to not pick them, they could have entertained us in the Currie Cup.
Posted 12:38 29th August 2012
all three are excellent selections, and hopefully picking a fetcher, an attacking flyhalf, and a skilled ball handler at number 8 signals a change in gameplan
Posted 12:34 29th August 2012