Australia

Ferdie says...

trinats2 admits in writing he's "interlectually inpared"

I rest my case.

a pom? 'fraid not, and no english ancestry either (not that there is anything wrong with that); though when I visit queensland I often get called english because I sound 'so well-educated', easy in the circumstances.

ferdinand, mascot of the taranaki rugby union, heartland rural new zealand thankyou very much.

Posted 00:53 30th August 2012

jash says...

Robbie Dean is not bad coach but the worst, disgusting a$$hole...get that rubbish out of Australia and dump it in gabage dump ie New Zealand

Posted 23:39 29th August 2012

georgesmith says...

Oh pliz. R.Deans is a hopeless coach. Just look at his record against All Blacks plus prior to that he had no Test rugby experience. He would bee a good coach if his team played well and lost to ABs but Wallabies just got rolled over, real bad. No sign of any game plan, no plan B, no plan C

Posted 22:32 29th August 2012

ruckingkiwi says...

Where to start?

Giteau was dropped because he missed 4 kickable chances vs Scotland and Oz lost, was consequently held accountable and threw his toys disrupting the team.. by which point Robbie was successfully promoting more exciting talent such as Beale, Cooper, Genia and O'Conner.. no brainer.

Also, it's widely believed that the Australian players (some , not all .. Giteau included) like to believe their own hype and are not willing to do the hard work both on and off the field. I suspect it's believable when you have mugs like Trinats bleating how they'd walk the Super comp, RC and whatever competition they play. This is not a Kiwi trait and Robbie will be struggling with the posers attitude.

There are also the problems with depth, no domestic comp, soft forwards etc..

Despite this Robbie has taken them from 4th to 2nd in the world. He has won 3/17 tests against the ABs which is about what history suggests happens, Steve Hansen is right, RD is a good coach but he will have to go, the blame game has been pushed too far already and change is required and as they have no other players to call upon then he is the only option.

Robbie and NZ believe in building success from the bottom up, grassroots and schools to club to province to super to international and we go about achieving results this way. Australia and their administration believe in building from the top down, either importing foreigners or league players and even the provincial comp (was it Gary Flowers who set-up) was cancelled by O'Neil... why?

I'd start by pointing the finger elsewhere but it's probably not totally unexpected that the blame is pointed everywhere but.

Posted 21:43 29th August 2012

ArmchairGeneral says...

Does anyone think the ABs would have lost if Deans was the AB coach? Or Oz would have won with Hansen? Coach has an important role but his no more important than one world class player on form. Beale did more to mess up the first game than Deans did. Blaming the coach is Ozzie version of Kiwi blame the ref.

Posted 21:25 29th August 2012

Wallaroo says...

I'd believe any other coach than the national coach of NZ backing an NZer coaching their greatest rival. Hansen doesn't have an interest in Australia's welfare, he just saying these things to protect his mates job.

Posted 15:43 29th August 2012

Bones7 says...

I agree with Trinats in that a decent coach should be able to get this sub-par bunch working effectively. The game play he is trying though, reduced numbers in rucks and wide, sweeping passes does not work with these players. The forwards, quite frankly, are too lazy. Sharpe is nowhere near as good as Simmons and just looks clumsy and ponderous as ever. I couldn't believe the adulation being poured on him before the RC, touting him as one of the best locks of all time. He has never been close to being the best in the world at any point precisely because of his lack of finesse. He was good and he works hard, but if you look at the world's top locks he's a long way off. Timani is just plain lazy. He is getting better but his work rate is absolutely atrocious. He flatters to deceive with a few big hits and carries but spends a lot of time lurking around outside the 13 and walking around. Dennis looks totally out of his depth and Higginbotham looks like he is getting frustrated with having to do the donkey work. Polota-Nau and Moore are both half decent and Robinson and Alexander look fairly solid in the tight but offer little in the loose. The backs are misfiring but I think that is down to the poor ball they are getting and that forwards are not offering themselves as ball carriers either side of the breakdown like the All Blacks do in order to keep defences guessing. It's clearly only going one way and slowly at present (the Aussie attack, although this is true of the team as well).

Posted 15:03 29th August 2012

Trinats2 says...

Craig:

100% spot on, i didn't even read on you were so spot on.

"I actually think Trinats2 has a point. The kiwi mind is wired"

Posted 14:20 29th August 2012

Craig says...

I actually think Trinats2 has a point. The kiwi mind is wired a little different to the Aussie mind, and maybe Deans doesn't carry the swagger/bluster needed to stimulate these guys.

And I for one agree dropping Gitaeu was mad.

I don't think any rugby follower would look at this situation and surmise that Deans is a bad coach. But the mix doesn't seem quite right, and you can't sack the country, so the only other option...

But I can't see a change of coach changing much. Aust rugby seems to have some fairly major issues. And Trinats' assertion that a decent coach would have the current Wallaby squad as no.1?

Maybe. If all were fit. Every week. And the scrums weren't contested. And breakdown cleanouts were outlawed. And Pocock was allowed to enter every ruck from every angle he felt like every time. And points were awarded per goose-step rather than for field goals (Quade would be creaming it).

But otherwise I don't really see it...

Posted 13:59 29th August 2012

Trinats2 says...

markpat:

anyone that's not a Kiwi !

Posted 13:34 29th August 2012