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ON the topic of Catt - born and raised in SA until 18 when he moved over here to study. English mother (@cass402, its my understanding that, back then, very few children had their own passports and piggybacked their parents' passports. so there is a strong possibility that the likes of Shaw and Catt were English passport holders)
Catt moved over here in 1989 when the game was still amateur and decided to stay, bit harsh to suggest that he was chasing the pound or some form of representative glory.
As far as I'm concerned he's English wherever he was born.
On the topic of Smith (perhaps the one we should be talking about) its a shame but you have to respect the dignity and sensibility of his decision which looks like it was largely for family reasons.
Posted 10:18 02nd May 2012
Good to see family and a little loyalty can outweigh the cash..
Hope it goes well for him.
Posted 10:09 02nd May 2012
@Mace...what on earth does" Read that England "LOYAL" something your team knows nothing about." mean. Do you come up with these classics on the spur of the moment?
Posted 08:34 02nd May 2012
In relation to Mike Catts nationality, hes only played (and coached) for England so why does his place of birth matter...Simon Shaw was born in Kenya i believe so his passport should be Kenyan? I was born in Germany in an army hospital but it doesnt make me German, although i do like bratwurst and well made cars. There have been strong and reasonable arguments put forward for Pacific Island born players who have gone on to represent NZ to which i could'nt give two hoots about so i dont bother to comment on it...if the player in question gives his all for the black shirt then why cant the same situation be true of a player wearing the red rose?
Posted 06:40 02nd May 2012
Improving the way England plays its rugby, is not necessarily about hiring coaches with big reputations. Stuart Lancaster and his team did a wonderful job through the 6 Nations.... and they fell agonisingly short in their match against Wales (who in their own right were simply magnificent right through the 6 Nations Championship!)
Smith was only ever going to be part of a team, where team dynamics are really important. I am sure that Mike Catt will acquit himself well. The rugby that he played was usually instinctive with a steadying influence on those around. It probably helps him having been brought up in a rugby playing nation, such as South Africa.
Good luck England with your tour to South Africa... it will not be easy... especially regarding that extra physical edge that the BOKKE usually find for matches against England.
Posted 03:40 02nd May 2012
How awful for England! Does this mean they will have to employ an Englishman instead?
I am sure they will do just fine with whomever they choose. Lancaster is no fool, and he has a strong pool of playing talent.
Posted 03:40 02nd May 2012
Oh my goodness, please tell me we do not have a trinats2..
one was plenty
Posted 02:19 02nd May 2012
Good for you Smithy. Enormous mana!!
Posted 01:41 02nd May 2012
Why do people keep on ad nauseum about nationality? Unless you're an Aboriginal Australian, tribal African or full-blooded Maori, I suggest the antipodean peanut gallery should keep its collective traps shut. And, point of fact, Catt is half-English and has spent his entire life here since he was 18, including his entire senior playing career.
Posted 23:36 01st May 2012
Wayne Smith we salute you... This is what he said in the full interview;
The fact that I also love the All Blacks and New Zealand rugby were highly significant in my decision. (NZRU chief executive) Steve Tew and the NZRU have been very loyal to me over the years and repaying that support was also important to me.
Read that England "LOYAL" something your team knows nothing about.
ALL BLACKS FOREVER!!!, See you poms at he end of the year when we add yet another Grand Slam to our name.
Posted 23:09 01st May 2012
Born in PE to English parents but had p..s in his veins so with family moved back to UK probably to avoid army conscription.
Posted 21:53 01st May 2012
Smith has made the comment that he could not coach a side playing rhe ABs.
Robbie Deans has struggled in that particular role.
Will Mike Catt be giving dead ant lessons????
Posted 21:13 01st May 2012
jonesy2 - Please please please. Pretty please.
Please educate me. Having seen the content of your posts, and the way you construct a sentence, combined with your exemplary use of grammar, I NEED you to educate me.
Or we're you being serious, and you mean you really can't educate me?
Oh well never mind, I'll just speak to my three year old son instead for my education.
Posted 20:19 01st May 2012
@APV1 - Not that I personally care either way, but yes he is.
Posted 17:58 01st May 2012
Shame. Looked like it was always a long shot though. He seemed perfect for the role - someone with Super 12 and Tri Nations coaching experience would be ideal for backs coaching.
Posted 17:11 01st May 2012
@ Trinats2 - no he's not. Berk.
Posted 17:09 01st May 2012
Trinats2-- i meant as in they are still going to be clueless as to how to score tries and what not.
Jediboy -- i couldnt even begin to educate you
Posted 17:03 01st May 2012
As a Chiefs and All Blacks fan I am relieved.
Although it is impossible to know how much of the transformation of the Chiefs is down to Smith (as I rate Dave Rennie and some quality players were also introduced this season) it is pretty clear that he is a very positive influence for the squad. He has no doubt helped attract some quality players and it would be a pretty bad signal leaving midway through a contract..(Cipriani?).
As an All Blacks fan I was a little worried about the inside information that he could provide over the structure of the coaching system etc. I think England has some great players around, not playing at full potential and Wayne would have helped bring a little spark and focus that could take England to a higher level. I would not be surprised to see him in the England mix in a few years time, it must have been very tempting to be involved in the planning for another 'home' World Cup.
It definitely is not a snub, it seems as though it was a thought out and openly communicated response to a job offer that didn't quite fit what he wanted.
Posted 16:18 01st May 2012
Not really unexpected news ,WS knowlege ect would have been of tremendous help to England ..Now we just have to bite the bullet and look elsewhere perhaps M.Catt or P.Blake will now be the English backs coach ,we will just have to wait and see who this aurtum becomes full time coach
Posted 16:03 01st May 2012
jonesy2 - it's not too late to put your application in. With your expertise and fair approach you'll be wonderful.
Go on, admit it, deep down you love the English and English rugby so why I not be part of the set-up?
Posted 14:47 01st May 2012
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