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@ Trinats. Yeah Loe is a wind-up merchant and always has been. Always liked Kearns...not too objective but entertaining to listen to. I know a few Aussies...generally good people. But then there is you....
Posted 02:57 17th August 2012
I just hope that the Pumas nick a win in their first season in the new 4N Comp. Even a draw would be a result for them.
Criticism of Italy is a little harsh imo. As has been said below - when France joined the 5N they were nowhere for decades. Now look at them !!
I think Italy have improved considerably since joining the 6N even if results haven't always gone their way.
Posted 19:42 16th August 2012
Trinats says Argentina pushed NZ in the RWC, but the score was 33-10! Love the trophy....
Posted 17:13 16th August 2012
Glad to see talk about Argentinian clubs being given access to super rugby. the best national teams have strong vibrant domestic foundations that allow the national coaches to build on a solid core of basics. Its definatley the secret to NZ's success.
Posted 16:24 16th August 2012
Big call Trinats to say the Sydney winner will take out the Championship. I would be happy to run naked through the Bourke Street mall if the Wannabies won this one, sadly my wife won't allow it (phew). AB's by 11.
Posted 15:41 16th August 2012
@trinats, who says "Kearns on the other hand was voted top personality recently here in Aus." I can't think of an easier place to achieve this goal....a frigging park bench could win that?
Give me the prediction: by how many points will the Argies beat Oz?
Posted 15:40 16th August 2012
I lost all respect for Richard Loe when he tried to remove Greg Cooper's eyeball. He shouldn't be a commentator nor in any role that has anything to do with rugby.
The trophy looks like a piece of medical equipment or a poseur's barbecue.
Posted 11:22 16th August 2012
2EyedKiwi: with only one working.
You are very wrong about Kearns. He is a real gentleman, great character and a hoot to have a few beer with. He does get a bit emotional with the mic, and has a bit of a dummy spit, but he wears his heart on his sleeve. He also throws in a lot of touge and cheek after his rants which is not always picked up.
I don't know Loe but comes across as an ass and not many Kiwis I know (which is too many !!) like him. Kearns on the other hand was voted top personality recently here in Aus. He is good enough to be a Queenslander !!!
Posted 10:54 16th August 2012
I think there is a competition to make the trophy look as bad as possible, a serious piece of junk???? But as we all know winning the comp is all that counts forget what the silverware looks like etc..
I am quite excited to see Argentina in the comp now! It;s been long overdue...
Predictions hmmmm anything less than NZ walking away with the spoils will be seen as a failure for them... with success comes pressure, scarily they seem to handle it well these days. I honestly think it's going to be a 4 horse race, let to spectacle begin! ;) Go you Aussie's.....!!!
Posted 10:48 16th August 2012
Ya right. Wallabies lose to Pumas and God save R. Deans. Aussie forwards will not shine unless N.Sharpe and S. Kepu are discarded. They are major liabilities, more suited to club rugby, not even Super Rugby. Looking ahead to the world cup and thhe start of the cycle, yes, N. Sharpe and S. Kepu are bad news for the team. They need to be quickly get rid of and R. Simmons needs as much games as possible so do bold props like D. Palmer and co. Failure to win Rugby Championship should surely result in R. Deans sacking. We don't need such over-rated coach who can't produce results. Simple as that.
Springboks are a real chance. Pumas will prove a lot of us wrong.
Posted 10:04 16th August 2012
Trinuts you have got to be joking...my prediction AB's 10+ in convict town.
Posted 09:26 16th August 2012
@Trinats14 "love all the banter... But its getting boring now...". Is that because the only banter you really love is your own? (now thats banter!).
Agree with you about Richard Loe. He is a dropkick, and like Cobus Visagie and Phil Kearns, as an ex-test playing front rower he obviously cannot shake that massive eye-patch of his huge melon.
Posted 09:22 16th August 2012
Can someone please explain "But unlike the Azzurri - who are still struggling to break into the ranks of the world's top five - given the right conditions (like participation in Super Rugby at club level), Argentinean rugby has the ability to become a consistent force in the global game in the near future."
Italy may have never actually broken into the top teams, but why does Argentinean rugby have the ability to but Italy didn't?
Argentina has a smaller population and less rugby players, plus a more limited set of opposition either above their level or below it. (Tri-nations teams are above, south american teams are below).
When Italy joined the 5 nations, they had already beaten a couple of the teams, I believe, and have constantly been at a similar level to one or both of Scotland and Wales each season.
Not saying that Argentina will also fail to stup up (I hope they will, personally), but to suggest that they have more chance than Italy had seems a bit strange to me.
Posted 09:05 16th August 2012
Love all the banter prior to the start of international comp. But getting a bit boring now. NZ always favourites (as the were last year) South Africa always potential to white wash but always pick up the wooden spoon, in recent years. And Australia never given a chance, like last year !!. "Richard Loe says Australia will win only one game out of six because of forward weaknesses" He is a dead set drop kick, Aussie hater, who said last year they wouldn't win A game. Very young side who is only going to improve.
As for Argentina they will cause an upset or two, they pushed the All Blacks (and the ref) in the World Cup. I can see them and South Africa fighting it out for the wooden spoon.
It will come down to the Test in Sydney, whoever wins will go on to win the Rugby Champ. And I'm predicting Australia !!!
Posted 06:18 16th August 2012
I dont think the players or coaches will care much ,about how the trophy looks .Its the bragging rights and knowing you are the best in the world if you win it.Thats all the players coaches and fans wil care about.NZ should win it this year ,but they have to seriously think about blooding some more youngsters starting next year.Also HM has to come up with a new gameplan for next year,perhaps his waiting for J.Gooson to be fit ,as i feel he is the only FH in SA who could perhaps add some backline expansion to their forwards power game and not just kick and chase from the backs.As for Australia well stil la youngish team ,but the lack of quality in depth is frightening ,still capable of putting out a very good 15 and decent 22 ,but for how much longer i wonder,as their forward problems are well known , and now its showing signs in their backline espically at centre which i think is starting to be a problem as big as their front 5 .Argentina will surprise alot of peope this RC ,and i expect all their games willbe closer than alot imagine .I also wouldnt be surprised if they got 2 maybe 3 wins either.Though they to have alot of aging players ,but they showed they have sme depth by beating the french and italians this summer ,just how much is debatable.
Posted 03:11 16th August 2012
Hmmm. You mention the Azzurri. Perhaps the better cross-reference is France? Joined the 4 nations in 1910. Didn't win grand slam until 1959. But then won it 4 years in a row, and are now the most successful team in the modern era (46 wins from 65 games since 2000 with 5 championship wins and 3 grand slams).
Who knows what the long-term future holds for the Pumas? (but one assumes they will find it difficult for the first 10 years or so....).
Good luck to all four teams. As a neutral, can't wait for this to get started.....although I am loathe to admit it, it's the highest quality rugby tournament around!
Posted 23:21 15th August 2012
Lol yeah, the trophy is really disappointing. I don't think it's as bad as the super rugby trophy but it's not far off it. Were they created by the same company? Because both are quite similar, are over the top & are just plain ugly.
Classic, simplistic trophies are the best, none of this new age crap where every part of the design has to incorporate the sport or the competition in some way.
BTW am I the only one to thinks that Argentina have the ability to challenge all 3 teams on their home turf, they can be incredibly powerful when they're in the mood at home & I'm sure they're not going to wait around for Australia to try & create history.
For example the last 2 tests the AB's played in Argentina resulted in a 24 - 20 win in 2001 in which the AB's scored a last minute try to win it & 25 - 19 in 2005 after holding out Argentina on their own line in the final minutes. There was also a draw in 1985.
South Africa have been challenged as well. Last 3 tests in Argentina were 34 - 23, 39 - 7, & 37 - 33. They haven't had as much trouble as the AB's but they were still tested in a couple of them.
And sure completely different teams played on those days but it still shows that they can take it to the heavyweights on home soil.
I wonder how the ticket sales are going for the tests over there?
Posted 21:06 15th August 2012
Hmmm... looks like it would make a handy egg holder.
Posted 20:27 15th August 2012
ironic that the world's best rugby teams and show-case tournament must endure a trophy that looks like a bar stool that had a satellite crash into it...
Posted 19:52 15th August 2012
Stupid name and Silly Cup - let's hope the rugby exceeds the branding of the competition.....
Posted 19:36 15th August 2012