lawynd says...

@lostprofit - you said:

"What is NOT fair is the amount of childish crying from the Frence and English unions. Be under no illusion: they are angry because they are not winning."

And:

"Change the rules if you want. Hell, I agree with you and Ill help you.

"But dont you dare claim in the future to be for the good of the game. Its for the good of your own pride."

If the English and French unions were merely 'crying' because they 'are not winning', would they not want to change the format to what ERC is suggesting, where Pro12 teams have to finish in the top 6 of their league or win either the Heineken or Amlin? As it is, they're arguing against this (NB - I actually agree with the suggestions that ERC are making), so your point, if indeed you even have one, is moot. You and the rest of the idiots on here are just frothing at the mouth because the word 'English' has appeared on the screen and it sounds like there might be something you can have a jab about.

Posted 12:55 14th June 2012

lostprofit says...

@GoWalesG

Ay he did, and its pretty much the only thing he was right about.

@lawynd

It wont. And I never said it would. The current format should be kept because it is entertaining with excellent draws been made every year. WITHOUT benefiting any one nation.

Change the Celtic qualification but dont want to change the format of the competition itself.

Read posts properly.

Posted 08:18 14th June 2012

amaboko says...

Totally agree with what the ERC wishes to do. It makes more sense than the actual configuration of the 2 competitions. Why do the french - whose style of playing degraded miserably to boring kicking contest, by the way - or the english, oppose this is a bit of a mistery. They`ll loose 1 team each, while the italians or the scots could miss everything. Not bad though because it will raise the level of the amlin.

Posted 16:51 13th June 2012

waitaminute says...

Bravo Pierre... pas 'essayes dans combiens de minutes de rugby?? Vas y....

Posted 11:13 13th June 2012

lostprofit says...

Hilarious.

Lets start with the basics, shall we?

Is the current format fair? No. Im a Leinster man and would totally support this idea. Top 8 from magners qualify fof the Hcup. If youre 9th, tough. If that means no Italian, Scottish or (shock horror!) my team failed to qualify one year I wouldnt mind. Fair is fair.

What is NOT fair is the amount of childish crying from the Frence and English unions. Be under no illusion: they are angry because they are not winning. During the early 2000's when wasps and tigers were winning everything someone asked Lawrence Dallaglio why English teams were winning everything.

'because we have a harder and longer league and the threat of relegation over our heads' he replied.

Asked now why many English teams are terrible, many will reply:

'because we have a harder and longer league and the threat of relegation over our heads'

Which, of course, is utter crap. English league rugby is going through a down period , 10 man puke rugby indeed, and needs a shake up (haha london welsh, fix your own problems first stupit) and THEN maybe they will win something.

Same with France, they are going through a rough patch as well (2 semis 1 final, no tries?? Not even one? Whatever happeend to french running rugby??)

Change the rules if you want. Hell, I agree with you and Ill help you.

But dont you dare claim in the future to be for the good of the game. Its for the good of your own pride.

And many of you want to change the format? Shame on you the current format is amazingly entertaining and challenging and you would change it?

@pierredelot1

Idiot. National sucess does not equal provincial success, and even then we are only held back by the moronic Kidney.

golden era for Ireland is coming to an end??

Fool, BOD and POC are the start of the golden age.

Cant win at club level so you talk about national meet ups? Youre pathetic.

Posted 04:33 13th June 2012

porridge_time says...

So the biggest Union wants more teams to increase their chances of winning the tournament?

English rugby is well represented in the European competitions, the fact that they now struggle to win the big banana is their short comings and not the fault of the current system.

Posted 23:26 12th June 2012

Jediboy says...

I thought the NH v SH debate was a bit of a monster.

Now the Rabo v Aviva Prem debate is a venomous beast.

I guess some people just love to argue, love to stick the knife into the opposition, whoever it is.

Irish fans - some of you are making yourselves look at little silly.

Posted 20:40 12th June 2012

crunchfit says...

@pierredelot1

Was that silly post sour grapes, idiocy or trolling? I can't tell...

Posted 19:17 12th June 2012

blametheref says...

It is a bit of whinging but a good suggestion to change the amount of participants, who all should have to qualify. I think there should be a level playing field first, where all the 3 leagues should have the same amont of teams, then there should only be 12 teams in the Heineken Cup based on the top 3 in France, England and the Pro12 all automatically qualifying, with the remaining 3 teams being decided from all these leagues on an end of season best points basis from all the leagues, and if equal on wins, then away wins etc etc. Which could mean in "exceptional" circumstances that one league could have 6 Heineken Cup challengers. This would make for being able to have home and away quarter and semi finals which is more fair and puts the money into the coffers of those teams that have earned the right to take some "home" gate money having got that far.

Posted 15:47 12th June 2012

craigsman says...

It's the French as well!!!

Personally I think it makes sense to make qualification consistent across the leagues. If you are not getting anywhere by talking sometimes a little arm twisting is the way to go. I don't think that suddenly the English teams will be winning again but it will make the playing field more level (and then we come to the salary cap argument).

Posted 14:15 12th June 2012