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On the off chance that you return to this rather stale discussion after such a break, the table comparisons are perhaps more interesting since England won the world cup. England have won 22 of 40 championship matches (55%), Ireland 28 (70%).
That is perhaps a surprise, because to read many England fans' contributions to this and other websites, you would think their team was the dominant outfit. I don't know what England's win-loss record is against the Tri-Nations teams in the past eight years, but my guess is that it would be worse than 55%.
Posted 00:23 24th March 2011
Ireland have a mental block about 2 teams in the world, New Zealand and France just like New Zealand have now inherited the Irish mental block about France when it comes to knock out rugby. They may beat France in the group stages of the WC but I'll put my house on France if they happen to meet for a knock out game
Posted 18:51 21st March 2011
Thatllbme...want to take Ireland (Pop. 4.5M) on in golf?...Mc Dowell, McIlroy and Harrington against whosoever you want to name! When it comes to field games Rugby is the 4th game in Ireland after Gaelic, Hurley and Soccer. About 400 people play cricket here so we hold our own in a sport that's about 12th in Irish popularity rankings. So if you're from South Africa or Australia you might take solace in that fact we can actually beat you in rugby from time to time...if you're a New Zealander you can only take solace in the fact that the reason you beat us is because you rob players from Samoa, Fiji and Tonga...
Posted 18:41 21st March 2011
@DaveJ What have Ireland got to show for those few extra wins? Based on that table they should be challenging France for the most 6N championships not lagging behind England and Wales. And it's not just the 6N Ireland have trouble coping with mentally, look at the world cup form. 2007 out in group stages and 2003 knocked out at the quarter final.
If Ireland could get themselves as mentally prepared for the other nations as they do against England I have no doubt they would have walked away with this 6N. But they don't and they didn't. In no way do I think England are world beaters, like the media like to make out, but we do have a habit of closing games out and suprising people.
Posted 15:48 21st March 2011
ok don't think that table is going to come out properly but it can be found here
Posted 13:36 21st March 2011
@ Matchie, Check out the all time 6 nations league table below
I agree England have won more championships but they have not been the most consistent team in terms of winning games, France have, followed by Ireland.....scoring points is all well and good but if you are not winning games it's worthless (just look at Ireland in this 6N running in heaps of tries)....to be fair Ireland's problem in the history of the 6 nations is letting ourselves get pipped at the final post so many times. Most 6N years bar a few Ireland have been 1 game away from winning a championship / slam but we haven't had the composure (or perhaps quality) to close them out.
Pld W D L PF PA PD T Pts Champs GS TC WS
France 60 44 0 16 1624 1047 577 157 88 5 3 N/A 0
Ireland 60 42 0 18 1508 1169 339 154 84 1 1 4 0
England 60 39 1 20 1731 943 788 188 79 4 1 2 0
Wales 60 28 2 30 1448 1544 −96 135 58 2 2 2 1
Scotland 60 16 2 42 982 1519 −537 70 34 0 0 0 2
Italy 60 8 1 51 907 1978 −1071 73 17 0 0 N/A 9
Posted 13:36 21st March 2011
OK, Ireland beat England decisively and left their best performance until the Championship was decided. The point is, Kidney has got it wrong with Ireland over the past year, as we showed we we had enough to win the grand slam...Take this, he only brought Mike Ross into the frame because of injury, ditto sean O' Brien who I must remind people did not get one game in the autumn series and was brought in because Ferris was injured. He played Luke Fitzgerald for 4 games even though it was obvious he was way off form. He dropped Johhny Sexton for 2 matches and only started him with his usual partner Reddan for the game against England and kidney persists having Paddy Wallace on the bench. David Wallace put in one decent performance in 5 matches before this he was playing dreadful and was lucky to start against England...being the player he was/is he musterd one brilliant performance....The point is that Ireland should have won the grand slam and for this Kidney failed. If ireland had a SH mentality dummed into them (real belief) they could beat any team on their day. Problem is we only get fully motivated in a game to prevent England winning the grand slam. NZ, Australia and South Africa would not be happy if they ended up where Ireland did and neither should Ireland that is why Kidney needs to go....as these Irish players deserve more....Joe Schmidt for example!
Posted 09:51 21st March 2011
@padraigfitzpat, while i have to admit that Ireland have been positively dominant over all the home nations in the past decade and sadly england have suffered the brunt of it, i fail to see how in the grander picture Ireland are a tier above England. Since the 6 nations started in 2000 England have won 4 championships including 1 grand slam. This is compared to Ireland's 1 grand slam year, which puts you back in 4th place behind Wales with 2 championships and France on top with 5. England also have the greatest points difference and, believe it or not, the highest try count.
Don't get me wrong, I know England are nowhere near the finished article and in reality the only reason we won the champioship this year was because we were the best of a bad bunch, but history will show we won, and history shows we have had far more success than Ireland in the past decade.
All that said, Ireland played us off the pitch and deserved the victory. Kinda had a feeling it was coming though, its not as if you haven't crushed our Grand Slam dreams before.
Posted 17:24 20th March 2011
Oh! I do like the great big thick silence from all those SH (and some English) commentators on these pages regarding the "has-beens - BOD, D'Arcy, ROG et al" who "shouldn't be playing rugby any more". And the pertinent silence from those Oirish supporters who keep telling us that Wallace is 'far past it'. Oh! I love the silence ...
Posted 17:08 20th March 2011
@Wazsere, i agree England's midfield is a bit impotent. There are a number of centres that could be playing who would make a positive impact - Brad Barritt has been excellent for years, and is English qualified, Riki Flutey has a lot more spark than Hape, Anthony Allen looks ready for another crack at the England jersey and Manu Tuilagi could not look more menacing. For some reason the lumbering midfield of Hape and Tindall appears the best option for the management.
and JeanLucJoinel has hit the nail on the head about the players. The true character of a number of the players was shown yesterday, such as Tom Wood, who was trying to do the work of half the pack. Deacon was his usual ineffective self, the front row looked very underpowered and the back row were left fighting a valiant losing battle I thought. Easter was a little panicky, Haskell struggled to get into the game and Wood was left with a mountain to climb, but otherwise all 3 players can come away knowing they were not the worst on the day
Posted 10:37 20th March 2011
My god has anyone been on the skysports blog! A lot of very disgruntled England fans, some very soar losers easy pickings for a wind up artist such as myself and I dare say there's no one as easy to wind as an England fan.
In terms of skill level and consistency its been a sub standard competition. Errors, penalties etc England were the best of a bad bunch. Mark my words no NH team has a chance in the WC. France are blunt, rudderless and increasingly prone to implosion, Wales and Ireland could cause some upsets but don't have the power to compete with the All Blacks and the Boks in a WC. England are the most solid but in honesty they won 4 games in a row against poor oposition 3 of which were at home and 2 by a fine margin. Their clearly too young to cope with the pressure, they need better leadership.
Posted 10:30 20th March 2011
papachinzo said...Awww, I feel bad now. First the Cricket, now this.... Guess colonizing Ireland, banning our language, culture sports and replacing it with your own was a bad idea in the long run.... ah well.
Jeez.. it was a game of Rugby, England got well beaten on the day, Ireland played outstanding, but I think you have some really serious problems if thats how your mind works !!! get a life.
Posted 08:52 20th March 2011
Great to see Ireland play to potential....
Posted 08:24 20th March 2011
Awww, I feel bad now. First the Cricket, now this.... Guess colonizing Ireland, banning our language, culture sports and replacing it with your own was a bad idea in the long run.... ah well.
Posted 02:24 20th March 2011