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@ melkdave - Hear! Hear!
I rate Moody as a great player and a top bloke. But he wasn't a leader like Johnno was. He didn't seem to get a grip of the players and reign them in. On or off the pitch.
"...leading the team to decide at a players' meeting that they needed to be better disciplined." HE should have called that meeting, not the other players. HE should have got them together and knocked a couple of their heads together. Sometimes you need to come down hard at the beginning and relax a little at a time, as people earn your trust and respect.
If he had concerns, he should have addressed them early and nipped any issues in the bud.
But I agree that MJ should have been more dominant too. If the two of them, shoulder to shoulder, laid down the law at the beginning of the "tour", this may not have happened. It's one thing to trust them to go out and self-police, but you have to put the boundaries in place first.
And I'm not niaive enough to think that a lot of the stories weren't stirred-up by the press, giving them their sensational headlines. But why give them the ingredients in the first place? No-one was expecting hermits and a bit of fun and a few jollies are fine. But this was all too much and too easy for the media vultures to sensationalise.
Our behaviour off the pitch was a real shame for England rugby.
Posted 14:11 31st October 2011
Every team has to go into the tourament confidant of wining thats a given .But they should never think their invincible lol and age isnt really an excuse .Things will and can go wrong no matter how good you think you are as a player and team lol..Im afraid the older players who went to give leadership and direction failed in so many respects on and off the field .This is just one of them they should have tempered the younger players feeling of invinciabilty ect
Posted 11:39 31st October 2011
>and believed they were invincible.
Gosh. Really? That's so out of character for an English team.
Posted 09:11 31st October 2011
"security footage showing recently married Mike Tindall in conversation with a woman." Is that what they call it these days? Johnson should have taken an iron grip on that squad, as he is well capable of doing. He learned nothing from the farcical tour of NZ that Rob Andrew managed just before Johnson took over - and thus history repeated itself.
Posted 08:18 31st October 2011
Queenstown, not Queensland.
Posted 03:43 31st October 2011
Got a lot of repect for Mr Moody, but I am surprised that more leadership wasn't shown from him or other senior squad members. The other thing that I can't work out is why anyone would want to anger Martin Johnson??!!! Surely he is scary enough to have a hold over the players. They let him down badly.
Posted 21:08 30th October 2011