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Lawynd, you said,
"As for 'throwing out third teams' and anyone with Sky knowing you're 'telling the truth about Leicester,' perhaps you might consider why Tigers are the most successful team in England...it couldn't have anything to do with bringing through and blooding academy talent in these other competitions, could it? And we won't mention (again!) the tonking that a 'third team' dished out to South Africa, right?"
bringing through talent? Not in recent times no. Look at the tigers first team and then spot the home grown tallent. its Ford and the Youngs brothers, the odd fosil like chutter and the deacon brothers who aren't really anything to do with cockeril's regime, maybe croft and cole, however, Parling, Flood, Allen, Tuilagi, Castro, Mafi, Waldrom, Wood, Newbie, etc etc etc. so your argument is outdated.
as for the pro 12 clubs playing understrength teams, none of them are playing the Maori.
and the south africa game? if they put out a team like: Hamilton, Amorosino, Manu Tuilagi, Murphy, Youngs, Stankovich, Chuter, Castro, Cole Parling and deacon, then I'll buy a ticket. That's basically all I'm asking for. Value for money and for the match to be approached in a serious fashion.
Posted 15:46 07th September 2012
more rugby announced, IRB Americas Rugby Championship to be played in Canada, starts October 12 USA v Argentina Jaguars and Canada v Uruguay. Round 2: Uruguay v Argentina Jaguars and Canada v USA Selection. Round 3: Uruguay v USA Selection and Canada v Argentina Jaguars.
Posted 04:22 03rd September 2012
Having performed in many haka's (sometimes against girlfriend)! I think there is always someone in the "Group" to whom leading the haka just comes naturally. I.E you always have that mate who is great at dancing or that one friend whom speech making just comes naturally too, its the same for Leading a Haka their is a flow and rhythm that some people just have. Has nothing to do with parentage/age/color.......(Weight he he)...Hope this helps
Posted 05:15 02nd September 2012
SACanuck says... You couldn't have such a game as the ABs would no longer be the ABs without their players of Maori decent. And it is pointless to speak of the ABs that are eligible to play for the Maoris because comon really! How are they going to play for both teams and anyway they are not eligible for the Maoris while playing for the national team.
Posted 04:10 01st September 2012
@ Ferdie - Thanks for that. But, again, why Weepu? I wonder what makes them choose him every time? Perhaps your Rock : Paper : Scissors idea might hold water, afterall...
Posted 15:19 31st August 2012
Weepu gets it because he is so darn loud! Also before he started kicking it was his reason for selection without dieting
Posted 12:44 31st August 2012
APV1 - for the person who leads the haka - I understand (could be wrong) that decision is made by the team. management have no say, it's the team who choses him and quite an honour it is too.
as a second option (joking) maybe he always wins at paper-rock-scissors in the decision making process.
maybe most people not aware but there is also tribal rugby comps in nz, and each province has a Mäori committee which administers Mäori rugby in that province - it's not just about the national rep team. tribal affiliation determines which team or area a player can represent.
Posted 12:18 31st August 2012
As always a sensible post from yourself. Far too many people out there with an axe to grind. The Maori play a fantastic brand of rugby and well worth a watch. The last tikme they turned out against England in Napier was a cracking match... a certain young Aaron Smith at scrum half looked the business that night.
Posted 10:35 31st August 2012
@ expattrussy - thank you, I was wondering when it would be picked up..! ;-)
@ nzmaoriboy - thanks for that. On different note, why is it always Weepu leading the Haka, when there are so many other Maori players who are more senior within the team? Is he "more Maori" (from a generational point of view), or from a more senior tribe (i.e. is his lineage such that he is a more senior figure amongst Maoris)? I haven't explained that very well, but I hope it makes sense. And please excuse my ignorance. Cheers!
@ Ferdie - I think our posts overlapped - thanks for the information. The shame is, we'll probably not be able to see any of it televised. Not only are they not "important" enough, but they'll clash with other "more important" matches (and sports).
Isn't it about time that Sky got its act together and started a dedicated Rugby Channel? We have Sports 1 - 4 and News. There's an F1 channel and even channels dedicated to individual football teams. During the Olypics BBC ran over 20 channels, dedicated to showing every event from every sport live. And with the fancy red button, we should be able to watch rugby from all corners of the globe. Even if they're not live, there would still be a little interest - my tv would have a default setting, I suspect. And the ad revenue from the "big" matches would surely be enough to subsidise the loss-leaders. Then we might see Romania, Portugal, Thailand, and so on, to see the sport from all over. And if there's nothing live, there are plenty of classic matches, interviews, Rugby Club, SOHK, and so on, which would fill the gaps perfectly.
Posted 09:26 31st August 2012
"As for one comment about do I expect the NZ public to fund the development of NZ players and teams... why not its their national sport. Perhaps the NZRFU should consider running their business more sensibly and given all the extra money the've demanded to appear in 2015 spend it more wisely."
I don't think you understand how unions get their cash mate. NZ Maori will make money from this tour in the same way any southern hemisphere big name team will make money from touring. Thats the way it works, NZ Maori aren't a special case.
Who are you to judge the merits of touring? Are you suggesting you know better than the NZ coaches and managers who organised the games? Unless you are Fran Cotton or Donal Lenihan then I sincerely doubt you do. If you don't like the tour then fine, ignore it. But to whine on about it being unworthy of a tour ignores the reality that without a Churchill Cup, its important that they find ways to get the players games and overseas touring experience.
Posted 09:21 31st August 2012
So, we are all Paakehaa on this site (i.e. not normal ;-)).
Cheers to everybody and NZ Maori, keep it up.
Posted 09:12 31st August 2012
The Duck can hardly be used as an example of a teams strength.... lol
Posted 09:06 31st August 2012
@headhunter99: "let's see the number of bums on seats". That will be 1 or 0. For safety reasons.
Posted 08:47 31st August 2012
Latimer is of Samoan and Maori Parents. So as Ross Filipo.
Posted 03:44 31st August 2012
@Sharkyzulu I think you should read up on your countries history (presume you are a Saffa) regarding why SA were banned. I suspect there may have been a wider picture to consider!
Posted 02:42 31st August 2012
The jersey the Maori wore during their last event was by far the best rugby jersey I've ever seen. All the Maori art on it showing in the dark reflective black...sweet. Too bad I couldn't have found one for sale.
Posted 01:31 31st August 2012
Sharkyzulu... wasn't it skin colour rather than race as I'm sure the white springboks contained other white races
Posted 01:06 31st August 2012
The NZ Maori concept is different, it doesn't exclude any races so is not racist! However to merit selection you must have some part Maori, even if that is your minority ethnic make-up... anyway that is debatable nowadays, such is NZ life there are lots of 'pakeha' boys who would be more 'Maori' in their actions and beliefs than many Maori themselves. Also, the NZ Maori rugby team, which was initially the NZ Natives, was the first touring team to leave NZ shores (the first All Blacks so to speak), so it's great NZ still honour that tradition. I would like to see other countries celebrate their indigenous people instead of poking fun at ours... like the Aussies have started to do with league, finally.
Posted 00:53 31st August 2012
APV1 - see my post 3 below yours - "programme of November fixtures for Tier Two Unions" - so maybe some of the teams you mentioned will also be getting games at this time.
Posted 00:29 31st August 2012
@rugby_rockstar - who said anything about a 'mission statement'? The only teams that field full-strength sides in the Anglo-Welsh prior to the semis are those teams not competing at the top of the AP or PRO12, not just Leicester. As for your quote, that's from LV's website, which is obviously trying to talk the competition up! And I'd love if you could tell me which AP team played a full 9 - 15 first team in the Premiership 7s apart from London Irish, who again did so because they're unlikely to win anything else this season? Oh that's right...none of them!
As for 'throwing out third teams' and anyone with Sky knowing you're 'telling the truth about Leicester,' perhaps you might consider why Tigers are the most successful team in England...it couldn't have anything to do with bringing through and blooding academy talent in these other competitions, could it? And we won't mention (again!) the tonking that a 'third team' dished out to South Africa, right?
Posted 00:03 31st August 2012
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