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Rosbif says...

@bambo: diabolical indeed :)

Posted 09:58 05th March 2012

Rosbif says...

@Justice. World book day yesterday....cldn't resist it! Guess the synopsis is: "we all have souls/conscience...we all make mistakes from time to time... so try to live a good life, and don't be too hard on others, if you want to sleep at night"....or alternatively, always have a good bottle of claret nearby, as you say!!

For the record, Bonnaire is a legend. The article doesn't mention Rougerie. It's been a while now, there's been a fair bit of rugby played, and not many journos, TV commentators or fans (anecdotal, I accept, but it's my experience) are still talking about the 78th minute of RWC final.

Mind you, Agincourt and Crecy still come up from time to time in our family, so never say never :-)

Posted 08:43 02nd March 2012

NHsaints says...

Ok...if people are taking the stance that gougers and the such like (spear tacklers, knee'rs and stompers) should be banned for life then goodbye: Hartley, Burger, the entire top 14 scrumhalf and midfield contingent, Mealamu, Parisse, Shaw, Tito, Ford, Stringer, Chuter, Heaslip...the list would go on and on...

Posted 22:40 01st March 2012

ummagumma says...

@Justice 4 all- yeah I did the same about Ali Williams' stamp on Josh Lewsey's head. How long would you want him banned for? Or Mealamu's head butt of Moody? or the same player's spearing of BOD?

Posted 16:12 01st March 2012

Rosbif says...

Hehehe. You shld tread carefully Justice. I¿ve lived in London for the past 35 years, so can recognize (and enjoy) a bit of banter when I see it. But I can't speak for others :-)

Re Rougerie, the ethics, the whole stinking mess, might I suggest a quick reading list to enlighten the soul¿.in roughly chronological order¿?

Plato, Phaedo: expands Aristotle's views on "multiple souls"

Aquinas, Summa Theologica: lays out theory of "intentionality"

Dante, Divine Comedy: especially outer ring of 7th circle, or Bolgia 9 ¿Sowers of Discord¿ (Bertran de Born carrying his severed head as a lantern is a particular favourite of mine¿)

Chaucer, Parson¿s Tale: 3 parts of penitence: contrition, confession, satisfaction.

Descartes, Meditations: mind-body dualism by the fire with the malign genie.

Wilde, De Profundis: ¿Suffering is one very long moment¿¿ A great read this one. And not too long!

And for the technical minded: Anscombe's "Intention", but it's a bit heavy-going.

Or if you prefer music: Dies Irae (Mozart, Verdi, Berlioz, Wagner)

Or art¿.Piero della Francesca, St Jerome in Penance

Or youtube¿.PDV¿s comments after the Burger gouge in the Lions series of 2009....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8ioPBh2vo

(I think this last one is probably the greatest intellectual contribution of them all.....)

Then let's all catch up and debate the ethics again after we've completed this week's homework. Maybe McCaw will have apologised to Parra by then too. That would be nice :-)

Posted 14:48 01st March 2012

froggy73 says...

@Justice_4_all: Please do me a favour: can you find for me the video of Rougerie gouging McCaw (not the photo shoot from a dodgy angle, that I don't care) ?. Then and only then I will take your post seriously.

Posted 13:13 01st March 2012

Rosbif says...

@justice... mate, thought we had a deal? :-)

Posted 11:01 01st March 2012