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last thing melkdave, it would seem to me that if in fact pocock was breaking any of the laws and getting away with it that the welsh would have stated that that is the case as it would be in their best interest to at least get closure on how pocock is allowed to break the laws and get away with it. yet all i see is a welsh flanker exclaiming how good pocock is. hmmm
Posted 10:06 14th June 2012
melkdave -- the fact that you claim to have played international rugby (for england?) makes me think that you have even less of an idea and illustrates my point exactly. you see pocock dominate a game of rugby particularly at the breakdown and you cant comprehend that he is that good so of course he is cheating even though a referee, whose job it is to police the game and know the laws inside and out, is present. also i would just love you to point out how pocock got away with anything and explain it to me please and once youve done that you have better go and notify the IRB officials because it seems like the best flankers in the world are continuely getting away with things all the time and the not so good ones arent and thats not fair is it? oh wait..
Posted 10:02 14th June 2012
Wales need to add unpredictability to their strong game or it's 3-0 to Oz.
Posted 09:28 14th June 2012
@jonwhowouldberef, I just noticed this: you give as an example of your balanced perspective (i.e. "two eyed") this gem: "AND genia was the difference." That is the funniest thing I have read in a while. Do you really think that the teams were evenly matched except for Genia??? Really? Barnes (Oz's 3rd choice 10, btw) vs an idiot who can't kick out of hand and who knocks on with the try line open in front of him? Warburton vs Pocock? On the form shown on the day, 3 or 4 Welsh players would have made the Oz bench. So add to your list of deficiencies an inability to evaluate and select players. The deficiency I would advise you to work on first though is still your inability to communicate coherently.....it is really holding you back especially if the path in is as garbled as the path out?
Posted 07:03 14th June 2012
What everyone missed is Richie McCaw. He got away with murder in this game.
Posted 02:37 14th June 2012
jontheref says..."Head high on halfpenny scrambling into touch, 2nd half? "
48th minute?? If so you are dreaming! Halfpenny ducks into the tackle and it is not dangerous. Are you really a ref? Joubert, one of the top refs world wide is there and an international ref as assistant ref only a few meters away.....and you, sitting in some pub on the other side of the world in some windswept, ignorant valley know better.....give me a break. I am all done arguing with you. You and your team both need lessons. Instead of blaming the ref, try blaming the players like Priestland who couldn't get a starting spot at the bottom of the s15 log....same for most of the Welsh side actually.
Posted 23:19 13th June 2012
@jontheref, you are blowing smoke. We are discussing a claim that you made: "Joubert was a huge factor" So "bleeding players" is a red herring that you are introducing to cover your lack of coherent examples. I will ignore this (Is the "capice" meant to make you sound tough or knowledgeable?).
You say "As you are qualified, you should have seen the incidents I listed." But you have NOT listed anything (by minute please so we avoid ambiguity) and you certainly haven't described much coherently. Here's just one example of your problem description: "Knock off halfpenny's head, when he though it was a Aus knock on, then Wales, the guy is obviously too caught up in himself to do it. " What is that supposed to mean? Are you drunk? Here's another: "Correct on PK for Phillips taking ball away, though PK against Warburton should have been reversed, as Pocock was allowed to do same. " You appear to be saying that there was a penalty against Warburton (again, what minute?) that you think should have been reversed. Reversed??? So a penalty should have been given to Wales? And you are a ref? Surely strong drink is involved?
And this stuff "As to being qualified, you never know who you are talking to do you mate. " What is that supposed to mean? Am I supposed to infer perhaps that you are some competent ref? This isn't backed up by your ability to explain what you mean or to convey an understanding of the Laws. And this "I don't get into bragging games, suggest you don't either. It could bite you where it hurts!" Whose bragging. melkdave was claiming that he was an international player who had coached at international level. I politely queried that claim....I am skeptical of his claims and frankly of yours that are implied in your choice of name. Although, to be fair, I do believe you are right about the Oz failure to retire 10 meters.
Posted 21:44 13th June 2012
Pocock is to good for Warburton or any Welsh loosie. He's getting smarter at the tackle area the more he plays and also with the refs.Same will happen this Saturday, Aussie is just to good for this Welsh mob
Posted 20:41 13th June 2012
Also, as you are qualified, you would know it is a requirement for bleeding players, and bllody clothing to be removed, patched up etc.
They call it the blood bin.
The three tenets of law are
Posted 10:37 13th June 2012
As you are qualified, you should have seen the incidents I listed.
Head high on halfpenny scrambling into touch, 2nd half?
Correct on PK for Phillips taking ball away, though PK against Warburton should have been reversed, as Pocock was allowed to do same.
but only talking about not retiring at kicks, not penalising, when it was material.
being able to come into support from 1 metre, when you should be back 10, is certainly material.
As to being one eyed, I stated Wales were slow in some areas, AND genia was the difference.
But open your other eye too.
As to being qualified, you never know who you are talking to do you mate.
I don't get into bragging games, suggest you don't either.
It could bite you where it hurts!
Posted 09:58 13th June 2012
Pocock is simply the best in that position in world rugby.....period.....and I'm an ardent All Black fan!! Whether he bends the rules or not is irrelevant, he is doing what he is paid to do....slow down and pilpher opposition ball. He is simply untouchable at his trade amongst his peers at the moment.
If you Saffas had one as good (don't give me nonsense about Brussouw, he is no where near as good and doesn't have the brains to adapt to the ref, that is why he is penalised more than Pocock and McCaw), I bet you would be delighted and very quiet on the subject. As for you Aussies....so it's ok for Pocock to do what he does, but when McCaw does it, it isn't ok.....hypocritical much folks??
Pocock is an awesome player, nothing more, nothing less!! If he gets away with things, cudos for him and the Wallabies.
Posted 02:12 13th June 2012
@melkdave & jontheref, well I'm neutral, qualified, and I just watched the first half almost entirely play and replay in slowmo.....guess what? If Joubert favours any side, it is the Welsh!
I am still waiting for your assertions of the opposite....minute/Law/biase? But of course you can't produce this can you? It's all just a general feeling of being "hard done by." Tell you what guys, your problem is facing the reality that Wales is crap when playing the SH. And you are bad losers....and extremely one eyed.
Posted 22:13 12th June 2012
@melkdave, please post the minutes and a description of Pocock's 6+ infringements. (I'd also like to know the details of your international playing and coaching experience)
I am a little sceptical, but willing to be convinced
Posted 18:42 12th June 2012
I think Wales still have a good chance of winning at least one test. Australia played well by their standards but I don't expect them to raise their game by too much - unless of course we see O'Connor, Cooper, Beale etc returning - whereas Wales (always notoriously slow out of the blocks) have the potential and ability to go up a few more gears and hopefully click. If that happens it's anyone's series but we definitely need a shot of confidence.
As for Joubert, I have to say I found myself swearing at him a few times on the weekend - Halfpenny not allowed to get to his feet after rescuing the hack through which led to Aus' first try, Adam Jones penalised for not rolling away when he clearly was, no disregard for the back foot although admittedly, Wales should have tested it just as much as the Wallabies - but these things usually balance out.
Thought Lydiate was outstanding again by the way. He has perfected his torpedo-ankle-chop tackle and it's a sight to see. Pocock's one of these special guys who is absolutely everywhere and almost unstoppable. Almost...
Posted 16:50 12th June 2012
Interesting how when an openside flanker is playing particularly well all the shouts of cheating come to the fore.
Some Australians in particular that have been living in glass houses and throwing lots of stones may find the worm is turning....
Posted 15:55 12th June 2012
Temper. Oh, and rugby has Laws, not rules.
Wales cannot stop Pocock jackaling, he's far too good at it, and far too fit and busy to try to mark or shut down, so it's a waste of time to try and stop him playing his game. So outsmart him? Target him in the line as the false tackler and run players off the shoulder when he gives ground for a good body position? Try a few dummy G balls straight at him, release into his hands and let Warburton and Lydiate line him up and hurt him, or present the ball a long way back and hold Pocock in the ruck or on the floor as long as possible?
Or, you know, don't drop the ball so much in the 22, or bin 2 try scoring passes. Then you don't need to stop Pocock. Just beat the slightly less illustrious 14 other blokes he plays with.
Posted 15:32 12th June 2012
I think @melkdave makes some very valid points.
Unfortunately I refuse to allow his experience of playing and coaching at the top level to be an exception to the rule that grown men should never say "lol"
I just can't stand it.
It makes me really :-(
Posted 13:54 12th June 2012
Can you point out (in your opinion) just ONE of the "6 illegal plays by Pocock" Or were they the 6 he was penalised for ??
here's the rules, so when you watch Pocock on saturday you know the rules before mouthing off !
Law 15 6 (a) states: After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. .......
Law 15.6 (b) reads: After a tackle any player on their feet may attempt to gain possession by taking the ball from the ball carriers possession.
Law 15 5 (e) states that: If opposition players who are on their feet, the tackled player must release the ball.
Posted 13:35 12th June 2012
When you have played international rugby ,and coached/managed any team other than a pub team as i have ,then perhaps ill start listening to you .Till then ill voice my opinions ,just as you will.I know full well what happens in an international match ,and how players test referees to see what they can get away with definatly more than you for sure.Hell ive coached players in the art of it lol.Just because players do it soesnt make it right you know.Also the Wales of last weekend where no way near the form side that played in the 6Ns ,in fact to be honest they where woeful ,as ive posted here and elsewhere..Im also not blaming the referee ,if you read my post properly ,as Wales short commings where more than enough to give Australia the win .Even neutral NZers and S.Afircians and irish say Pocock was very lucky not to be penalised ect .Perhaps you should rewatch the game without your rose tinted wallaby classes .I counted 6 illegal plays by Pocock and most probily missed annother dozen ,see if you can see them .You can find the rules online to help you know what your looking for.But ill continue cheering for the welsh ,if thats ok with you POM i maybe but ive got alot of welsh heritage and family along with scots ,and they kicked your arse LOL.So CHEW ON THAT
Posted 08:42 12th June 2012
@jonesy2 - you sound more of a muppett than melkdave to be honest mate, melkdave makes a fair point and admits it was wales' failings more than the refs that cost us the game. Still think aussies are there for the taking on saturday, if genia and pocock misfire should be able to get that elusive win....
Posted 07:48 12th June 2012