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12th November 2012 08:30

Fiji doing the Cibi

Hot topic: Fiji

This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with the price of a cap, the north-south divide, a curious affair and some really, really bad singing...

So how much is a cap really worth? We've mentioned that a couple of times down the years, in terms of players cutting short international careers to head for the northern pensions, in terms of players sacrificing any chance of being an international whatsoever, or in terms of eschewing chances to play for their native land and opt to stay three years in another and have a stab there instead.

All prices to pay. But if the allegations from Fiji - and they've not been shy of a couple of iffy bow shots in the past - about Racing Metro are proven correct, we really might know the price of a cap. We'll also know how far some can be prepared to go. And how low.

Pacific Islanders do not have it easy. They're brought up in a very different rugby culture, where the hits are diamond-hard and borderline legal in other countries. Frequently huge specimens of men, frequently blessed with extraordinary pace, just as frequently from backgrounds and customs about as far removed from the Western norm as you could get, dozens are yanked every year from their island homes and dropped into Europe's unique cultural hurly-burly.

The culture shock is huge. Many simply do not understand it, some do not survive and end up falling foul of either drink or violence. Sometimes both. Others just fade away. And, obviously, others make it big and survive the challenges.

But for all of them, European rugby, the easy path to a European visa and a higher playing standard profile, is a huge cost in terms of personal administration and ambition, for they know full well that their home unions may not be able to pay for them to be internationals every time.

The allegation laid that Racing Metro actively paid for their Fijians to stay and play club rather than represent their brethren is a deeply insidious one. It's one that smacks of clubs paying no heed to the people they are employing, rather one of a deeply rotten ethic that champions the home-grown talents and circumnavigates the protections afforded to those from lesser backgrounds. It's one that ultimately tells people to put up and shut up and to hell with what you might want, not an ethic we'd like to see in professional rugby.

There may be an axe to grind for Simon Mannix, who was fired from the Paris club recently. But Nicky Little's revelations that this practice of paying Fijians to miss international duty is not a new one is worth taking seriously. If it proven, it is worth throwing the book at too, for the good of international rugby.


Plus ça change... With Argentina's win over Wales at the weekend comes the final step in global recognition for the Pumas.

More than that though, it's the clearest of all indicators as to how far the Pumas have come. One season in the Rugby Championship and some good time spent honing skills under the auspices of several All Black coaches has rendered a comparatively youthful Argentina side at least on a playing par with the one that got to third in the world in 2007.

New Zealand cruising to victory over Scotland, an under-strength South Africa triumphant in Ireland... only Australia's woes and France's new-found confidence remain as the bridge over the divide between north and south.

It's been a great weekend of international rugby and there's plenty more to come, but there's a lot of work to do up north.


So where is John Mitchell going to be in a few weeks' time?

He's professed his determination to finish off a job in Johannesburg, having been cleared of all misconduct charges at the Lions.

But nobody knows what went on. The leaders of the group of players who took their grievances over Mitchell's management to the GLRU executive board are all but gone. The Lions themselves sit with an empty fixture list for much of next year, their place in Super Rugby gone to the Kings.

Rumour has it that the Lions simply couldn't afford the payout that sacking Mitchell would have caused on the back of losing the disciplinary hearing, to which it was rumoured only two players actually turned up and gave half-hearted evidence.

This would leave the GLRU board on a hiding to nothing and Mitchell in a position of absolute power - not least perhaps to bring back Carlos Spencer and Wayne Taylor, Mitchell's assistants who were unceremoniously axed in the wake of the allegations brought against Mitchell.

Mitchell may have what he wants, or he may simply be waiting for that payout before actually going to Sale. But whatever is going on, it looks appalling for the Johannesburg team. Unless the mess is cleaned up, the Kings might get their second Super Rugby year after all.


Remember Waddle and Hoddle's 'Diamond Lights'? Gazza's 'Fog on the Tyne'? Liverpool's 'Anfield Rap'?

It seems Saracens have fallen foul of the same delusion that pop stardom and team songs are a happy couple...check it out.

Loose Pass compiled by Richard Anderson

Comments

APV1 says...

@ markpat - I'm fairly sure that they cannot be contracted out of being available for internationals unless they retire from international rugby.

Posted 10:51 14th November 2012

markpat says...

@APV1 - that is why I'm saying it depends what's in the contract. We're only hearing a version of it. If by "being paid to not play internationals" means honouring their contracts, then so be it. If it means, they're offered an ad-hoc bonus then, no that's wrong, but wouldn't that contravene salary cap rules, etc.?

Posted 15:55 13th November 2012

kybone says...

hayj05- So, if i understand it correctly, the England Fiji, and the Italy Tonga games don't count, but Scotland v NZ does. Why exactly? Italy and Tonga are right next to each other in the World Rankings and England v Fiji is probably not much more of a mismatch than Scotland v NZ. Basically by this way of working the north are at a disadvantage before we start as the 6N contains the 6th best team in the NH and the worst team in the RC are the 4th best in the SH. As i said, if Tonga had beaten Italy and Fiji had beaten England those results would have been used to prove that the SH was so much better, but becaue thay lost the results are discounted?? You can't have a north v south debate but then say ' we only want the results of out 4 best teams to be considered'.

Posted 11:06 13th November 2012

powerplay says...

Benny i agree, so only islanders turn to violence and drinking.?? Watda, ..also the examples you provided were spot on!!

Posted 09:34 13th November 2012

hayj05 says...

@Kybone - To be fair I think he's referring to the tier 1 sides, the 10 nations in the 6 nations & TRC.

In that case it would be 3 out of 4 to the South after the first week. Bearing in mind these games are being played in the North & after the completion of the June tours by England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, & France, the Northern teams only managed 2 wins & a draw...

Posted 23:25 12th November 2012

kybone says...

On the 'north south divide'- Theres no doubting that NZ are the best but other than that i think there's nothing in it. Yes SA were under strength, but then so were Ireland! I just love how Mr. Anderson neglects to mention these things when he's trying to make a point. I suppose Italy v Tonga and England v Fiji didn't count as north v south games for some reason- bet they would have if the southern team had won! I believe that there were 8 north v south fixtures this past weekend, and actually it was 4 wins each.

Posted 18:06 12th November 2012

NHsaints says...

That's embarassing (the sarries song). And in regards to the player positions, I'm fairly sure there have been alot of players unavailable for their respective countries tours because of club duties - take Steffon Armitage playing for Toulon in the finals of the top 14 and so being unavailable for the SA tour. Or Haskell at Stade being unavailable for the EPS selection. The list goes on. Argentina have long been better than most teams, they've just never been quite smooth or loose enough in their backs to try more than a 10 man game. After a season together chucking the ball around they were bound to win some games at least this tour. They would have beaten England in the WC if they'd kicked all their points and they ran the All Blacks as close as anyone can in the first 60 minutes at the WC and they were playing a Wales squad who's credentials are basically beating Ireland, Samoa and not yet developed France and England sides.

Posted 17:39 12th November 2012

Benny says...

Could this article be any more condescending? And I'm not usually one to say it but...it's racist! :) Try writing this on a .co.za site and check the reaction

Are we to believe that the natives of Europe don't get into trouble with the drink? Danny Care? Andy Powell? Bastareaud? Cipriani? Should I carry on or do you get the point?

Posted 16:48 12th November 2012

chubbylugs says...

i may be wrong, but im sure something similar happened a few years ago with a certain ex england tight head who was incentivised to retire from international rugby prior to the AIs so they had full player access during the international window. isnt that the same as RM and Fiji?

Posted 14:41 12th November 2012

APV1 says...

How patronising can PR get?

"dozens are yanked every year from their island homes and dropped into Europe's unique cultural hurly-burly."

"Many simply do not understand it, some do not survive..."

Some come over with their families and enjoy a democratic and prosperous life, which they aren't offered at home.

How about this for an idea?

For every player the club paid off, they have to pay that player's National Union any fine that is levied. So if the fine is the equivalent of £1m, that money goes directly to the country the player was prevented from playing for.

Unfortunately, in the case of Fiji, it might just be going into the war chest, but the principal's sound.

I'm also not surprised at how well Argentina did. they've been quick to learn and are developing into a real contender. Now in 7th in the IRB rankings and I suspect they'll climb. They play the top 3 teams and, lo and behold, improve. Lesson to be learned there..?

@ markpat - I think the issue is that the player's choice is, effectively, being removed. All players should be released by their clubs during the "windows" if requested. If the player is asked to stay and is offered remuneration for staying, the club is breaching the IRB Regs. And if the player refuses to stay, how do you think his club career will fare there-after?

Posted 13:16 12th November 2012

Celtictenor says...

Llanymddyfri rugby club can sing a lot better than that; and the Saracens' lyricist needs shooting too

Posted 12:26 12th November 2012

markpat says...

Regarding Fiji's players, without knowing the exact details it is hard to judge. However, wasn't there pretty much the same argument when Haskeel went to Stade, with Stade refusing to release him for the EPS?

If it's in the contract that is signed, personally, I don't think there is anything wrong. Players don't have to sign the contracts and if the guy is good enough to play for Metro, then I'm sure he's good enough to get a lower paying deal with a different club, which would still be a very good wage.

Just my opinion, though.

Posted 11:32 12th November 2012

chubbylugs says...

saracens - that is embarrassing

Posted 10:25 12th November 2012

melkdave says...

If Racing have been paying players not to play internationals ,then they simply need to be auto relegated from the T14 and a very very hefty fine of a couple of million euros levalled .If and its a big IF its true,this practice flys in the face of every rugby ethic i can think of,and should be stamped out with a very heavy hand very quickly.The same goes for clubs releasing players for international matches ,the IRB has to extend player release to 2 weeks before the test window starts,so every player and nation can train together .before the tests start.

Argentinas victory over Wales is hardly an upset ,and PR i think are haling it just a tad to much .Argentina have been wining matches against top sides for quite a few years now after all.That this now might be the start of them consistantly,wining against top sides rather remains to be seen .Argentina now have to start backing up these lone victorys with others,as such the Ireland game now really looks mouthwatering

Carnt really comment on the Lions situation,all i can say is both club ,players and Mitchel.Have been put in a terrible situationby SARU last year,and in regards to the futureAny coach,manager will tel you its almost impossible to motavate players ,who dont think they have a future,and thats what SARUs decsion to award the Kings with a S15 berth effectivly dd at the Lions.In situations like that coaches and players are going to get frustrated ,and might say or do things they normally wouldnt dream of.

Posted 09:57 12th November 2012

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