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staph_glorious says...

blametheref,

You'd be kind to list the impact players in the Irish squad, and how they differ from those preferred for their versatility. By my reckoning, the most influential men in green tend to make the starting XV.

D'Arcy hasn't played fullback since he was punching in his Clongowes locker combination into a Nokia 3310. He was shunted to the wing the odd time a couple of years ago, where his lack of pace was the obvious but solitary flaw. Specialist back-three cover would be far more preferable here.

Posted 00:50 21st September 2011

blametheref says...

@staph

Bench depends on the starting line up, for example, with D'arcy on the field at 12 he can play wing or full back etc etc. My preference isn't so much for versatility on the bench but impact players on it...much better to have a player who can make an impact rather than a versatile mediocre player who is going to fill a position and make no impact...

Posted 22:47 20th September 2011

staph_glorious says...

blametheref,

Feel free to read my post once again. Or open a window.

Typically, the Irish bench reads: Hooker, Prop, Lock, Loose Forward, Scrumhalf, Flyhalf, Three-Quarter Back. There's little doubt versatility is required to cover #9-#15. How would you manage the replacements?

I too would think it ill-advised to field O'Gara and Sexton in the same starting XV, not alone for the various other options of experienced inside-centres in the squad but so too for the risk of losing the pivots - both specialists. Still, Sexton at #12 remains a more-than-useful back-up plan.

Posted 19:47 20th September 2011

crunchfit says...

Wouldn't mind seeing Trimble at 12. Or Bowe could play 12 with Trimble on the wing.

There's no need to play both are fly halves at the same time if we aren't forced to.

Posted 18:09 20th September 2011

blametheref says...

@Staph

So now Sexton, Ireland's better fly half, is Mr. Super Fill In At 12 Sub...says a lot about Ireland's bench and it's make up...I dread to think if Kidney starts ROG at 10 and Johnny at 12, it would work, but what's the point???

Posted 16:26 20th September 2011

staph_glorious says...

blametheref,

Sexton's possible versatility is cause for celebration? Perhaps. I would wait 'til it reaps good rewards before I fill my flute.

Selecting the bench requires pragmatism; you do not stock it with the best remaining players, but the best cover. Of late, one might only suggest the evidence shows a new-found appreciation for specialist back-three cover, where previously D'Arcy could sit on the wing and Wallace at fullback.

You are all over your trumpet if you refer to that match-squad as "proof". Evangelists would blush.

This weekend's selection will say much more of the World Cup squad and each man's credentials.

As for "he-who-will-not-be-played", don't give up hope yet, especially if he is of the same mould as his compatriots Down Under.

Posted 11:40 20th September 2011

blametheref says...

@Norm

I'm right behind Ireland ALWAYS and always have been. I only want to see them win....Where I'm coming from regarding the players available to Ireland for some time now, from since before the autumn series in fact, is that the right Irish squad and team have had the potential and talent to actually win the World Cup...The win over Australia was a win on the way to that goal. Teams that have won the World Cup have always kept their celebratery powder dry on the path to the prize and so should we Irish supporters if we truly believe...The win over Australia gave me some renewed belief in this team but there's still a long way to go...But yes, an amazing Irish victory no doubt about that...

@Staph

The fact "you know who" wasn't on the subs bench was a cause for celebration in itself, and without blowing my own trumpet proves I am right about his inclusion in this squad...Bottom line is, we'll never know the truth about James!

Posted 22:15 19th September 2011

crunchfit says...

@jonesy2

Yes, that would be a bit of an upset. Ireland are the stronger team of the two although Italy have been improving (can't tell if you were using sarcasm because you don't seem to know much about rugby).

By the way, is that another prediction regarding Italy beating Ireland?

Posted 20:10 19th September 2011

staph_glorious says...

blametheref,

Given that Paddy Wallace (assuming his wearing the #22 jersey) would only have had a largely defensive cameo against Australia, I cannot understand your remark. He could hardly have missed more tackles than O'Driscoll!

And again, what is "constructive criticism" on a Planet Rugby board when the relevant smiths are elsewhere planning another scalp? In truth, the vitriol here notably outweighed fair comment.

adamk has it right for a number of reasons - "I'll make my opinion up AFTER the WC" - least of all for saving face.

Posted 14:27 19th September 2011

writtleman says...

As an almost neutral (England and NH!) I think this is great for the WCup. There HAS to be some unpredictability for it to be a good cup. Assuming Ireland top the group it almost guarantees a NH finalist.

As for Jonesy2 - that attitude gets SH supporters a bad name - how absurd to say it's bad because the best sides wont make the final!!! They said it last time because Oz and AB's lost in the quarters so should we let them win?. The only answer is to let them have their own competition - maybe call it the Trinations!

This is great and if England can stop giving away penalties we look forward to seeing the Paddy's in semi!!! (wishful or positive thinking?)

Posted 11:57 19th September 2011

blametheref says...

The constructive criticism (not the "insulting" criticism) Kidney got after the Autumn series, the 6 nations and the "warm up" games and the USA game posted on these boards was fully deserved...I still hold strong that the squad is not the strongest available to Ireland...I thank the stars that Paddy Wallace wasn't on the bench against Australia!

Posted 10:52 19th September 2011

blametheref says...

A great deserved win and glad to see it at last...Maybe some of the criticism that had built over the past few months added something to the pot in terms of Ireland's will and especially Kidney completely losing face and saving it against Australia...It is amazing what this team can do when their backs are against the wall...The next test is whether Ireland can string some back to back performances together and overcome that bogey that seems to haunt this team.

With the draw the way it is shaping up Ireland should now be one of the warm favourites to reach the final which I believe they should do now after proving the can beat a top SH side...If they don't reach the final with what's most likely ahead of them I think that'll be a dissappointing WC for Ireland...Big question about reaching the final is, who willl be doing the sandbagging when New Zealand and France meet?? Mentally, I feel both of them will and the outcome of that match will be facinating.......

Posted 10:38 19th September 2011

adamk says...

... also, re: lions starting 15... Gray will be a starter, no doubt!

Posted 22:42 18th September 2011

adamk says...

@trinats / thatllbeme ... but the fact of the matter is we're our own harshest critics. The majority of Irish fans are pretty knowledgable on the game, and are well aware of our strengths and limits, and we certainly don't like getting ahead of ourselves (even if false hope is our guilty pleasure from time to time). Russia is next, and that's all there is too it. Italy will be, and in my opinion, always has been the biggest game in our pool. It was likely Aus would have beaten us, so we really needed to concentrate on the Italy game. Turns out on the day we played intelligent rugby and turned up a win. Now we need to be clinical about an ever-improving Italian side that almost beat us this year, and beat France who are without doubt (aside from a shaky run in so far) NH favorites. No, we won't make the same mistake some Oz players made - we won't underestimate our opponents.

@rugbysupport Funny name you have there when you don't even seem to know, or enjoy the aspects of rugby. The reason rugby is entertaining is because no two games are ever the same. Like soldiers on a battlefront, they will use whatever tactics that work for them on that particular day - a good team should be ready for any type of strategy from the opposition. For both sides that game was probably one of the most intense games ever played for them, and if you don't understand why then I could only assume your knowledge on the game is limited. Or perhaps you thought this was the Rugby League World Cup? Perhaps even Sevens?

Posted 22:40 18th September 2011

adamk says...

For those of you whom are unfamiliar with Kidney, he's very tongue-in-cheek. Infact, most of what he says to the press is just to humour them. I'm sure he has little thought for how the rest of the tournament plans out for the other teams. He is interested in one thing only; his squad, and what the next game is, and where it'll take them after that. The route is more attractive yes, but that's about all he cares about.

@Carpelone You have a good point calling on all the 'Kidney Bashers', but I for one have always maintained I'll make my opinion up AFTER the WC.

Look at it this way.. We're still underperforming. Because of a huge effort from key players, and some intelligent Rugby played yesterday (The kind you only learn from winning BIG competitions, i.e HC & 6N) we won. But the backs misfired once again.

You could argue we got caught in an arm-wrestle, and we used certain skills to dominate their pack and force penalties.. However, I can remember several occasions when we were on their try line and also failed to penetrate.

The problem there isn't Kidney, it's Gaffney. He needs to either change his plan (which I can't seeing him doing), or he needs to let players like Sexton and Reddan control the backline as they see fit. But then he'd have no job justification, so that ain't gonna happen. :(

The point is we'll come across a team, it could Russia, it could be Italy (big chance here) or it may be further down the road, and we'll try the same thing, to dominate up front.. But what happens when your playing a team like Italy and they have Sergio ruining that for you? No penalties. Infact, you'll probably force a few against yourself.. Then what? You need to score tries.

That's our major issue at the moment.

@trinats / thatllbeme I think you guys are over-exaggerating some sort of belief that all Irish fans are bad winners and are envisaging a WC final.

Posted 22:34 18th September 2011

crunchfit says...

"I would like to hear more from the Irish supporters about Kidney now. This guy was insulted, abused on this forum and now it would be fair to pay some tribute to him. It was a great victory against a fairly more talented side."

One victory over Australia won't make up for the amount of bad calls he has made.

Posted 20:14 18th September 2011

Daboo says...

@jonesy2 ha ha ha lemon pills are really hard to swallow I'd the to be as bitter as you, never underestimate a NH team then you might not be as bitter when they are clearly the better team, I HATE ARROGANCE

Posted 18:42 18th September 2011

leinster_goy says...

@norm i agree that ireland should not be jumping the gun as the italian game will be a tough test indeed. i was only speculating on the 2013 lions squad and considering the fact that ireland have just shown how australia can be beaten (by hammering their poor setpiece, especially the scrum, thereby starving the backs of ball). players like quade cooper have shown themselves to be charlatans, even genia was stifled. im just saying that this wallaby team is not all they are cracked up to be and a team containing the best of england/wales/ireland/scotland should be confident of beating australia over 3 tests, even in their own back yard

Posted 17:53 18th September 2011

melkdave says...

@lienster_goy

Not a bad possiable lions 15 but if your going on form this year and ingnoring the youngsters this would be mine from players at curent RWC that wont be to old aswell lol

1)CHealey

2)S.Thompson

3)D.Cole

4)C.Lawes

5)AW.Jones

6)S.Ferris

7)S.Warburton

8)SO.Brain

9)B.Youngs

10)J.Hook

11)C.Ashton

12)J.Roberts

13)M.Tulangi

14)G.North

15)D.Armatage

On the bench-M.Stevens-R.Ford-T.Croft-T.Faletau--R.Lawson-T.Flood-S.Lamont

Posted 14:25 18th September 2011

jonesy2 says...

is he insane? this is terrible for the world cup. it means the best teams might not be making the semi's and the final. boks and ab's will almost be tempted to purposely lose games now to manipulate the draw, i know this wont happen but its something to think about

"It's only a World Cup if a northern hemisphere side plays a southern hemisphere team in the final." what a moron. dont worry the universe will make sense again, ireland will probably ensure this by going down to italy. would that even be an upset?

Posted 14:21 18th September 2011

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