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Preview: England v Australia

15th November 2012 20:10

SKY_MOBILE Chris Ashton England try v Australia 2010

Strike weapon: Chris Ashton

On the back of contrasting results this past weekend, England and Australia are once again ready to collide at Twickenham Stadium on Saturday.

Last week England, while not great, put 54 points on Fiji while Australia fell to an in-form France XV that was in no mood to lose the physical battle.

The Wallabies have subsequently received a hammering in more ways than one after being outplayed, out-hungered and out-muscled.

The aftermath has been brutal, but in our eyes not enough praise has been put at the door of France. They were exceptional at their set-piece, direct and intelligent in attack and utilised the Stade de France atmosphere to the best of their advantage. Few teams would have won in Paris last week.

Robbie Deans has copped most of the abuse from all angles over the past year as Quade Cooper, Alan Jones, Stirling Mortlock and most recently David Campese launched a tirade at the New Zealander, with the former Wallaby wing saying that Deans "has destroyed Australian rugby and I want him to go". Unfortunately for you David there's unlikely to be a tweak forthcoming due to the fast approaching 2013 British & Irish Lions visit to your homeland.

Warren Gatland must be licking his lips at the ongoing soap opera but also wary that the likelihood is that things will have improved by the time the Lions return from their four-year hibernation. Factor in that star players James O'Connor, David Pocock, James Horwill, Will Genia et al should have fully recovered from their respective injuries, and English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish tourists will not be facing the same limping Wallabies we see today.

Speaking of today and because of suspensions to Rob Simmons and Adam Thomson, there has been little spice between the two sides in the build-up for Saturday. Only a weak comment from Australia wing Digby Ioane about England's finishers being "pretty" has scratched the surface while Toby Flood joined in the fun by giving a glowing reference to the women of Wigan. It seems the Australian press prefers bashing its own side nowadays.

If things go to the English plan - combining a strong scrummage with the dual playmaking combination of Flood and Alex Goode to create the points - the hacks Down Under will have more energy in their fingers on Sunday morning (their time). One can't help but feel though that with last week's weakest link, Sekope Kepu, benched for the returning Ben Alexander while the sizeable Sitaleki Timani locks in following an injury, they will be more sturdy.

Consequently, if there's greater parity up front than many are predicting more emphasis will then be placed on Goode's ability to create in the first line of attack and also whether Chris Ashton and Manu Tuilagi can feed off each other wider out. Both teams lack in the creativity department in the centres and that has been a big concern for Australia since Matt Giteau moved on, with Ben Tapuai the latest to wear the 12 jersey under Deans. What is surprising is the decision on paper to name Nick Cummins and Ioane on opposite wings to where they play for the Force and Reds, while Berrick Barnes (usually 10/12) returns at full-back, a spot he recently vacated for fly-half or centre Mike Harris. It truly is needs must right now.

But Australia are not without hope of claiming victory at Twickenham this weekend - far from it in fact. While the English did win comfortably against the islanders, signs of rustiness due to their lack of recent action was noticeable. Now the looming question is whether the home side's gameplan kicks on to better things this week? For Australia it's more asking can they bury their Paris loss and repeat the effort that almost defeated New Zealand in Brisbane?

Ones to watch:

For England: Last weekend's performance from Alex Goode was top notch and he will again line up at full-back at Twickenham. This time though he will have a new wing to form a combination with as Chris Ashton returns from his suspension to join Charlie Sharples in England's back-three. Ashton has been working on his defence in the international camp and therefore his progress will be closely monitored, not least by the coaches but also armchair fans. Elsewhere and of course Dan Cole will be watched at scrum-time while Danny Care will hope to win his battle with Nick Phipps, which we expect him to do.

For Australia: Sekope Kepu endured a nightmare evening in Paris and has been replaced by Ben Alexander, who is back in the squad after recovering from a wrist injury. He must stand up for Australia and it is worth noting he was solid at the set-piece during the recent Rugby Championship. Therefore England might not enjoy the same dominant success as Les Bleus did while the return of Sitaleki Timani may also shore things up for Robbie Deans. Digby Ioane is a player who is not shy of an error or two so if England can get amongst the wing - using kicks in behind - the Wallabies could be in trouble. Key to their hopes will be trio Michael Hooper, Wycliff Palu and Kurtley Beale leading from the front.

Head-to-head: Bandwagons are rarely as full as when scrums are discussed ahead of England v Australia. We jump aboard as it can't be ignored and won't be by the front-rows.

Recent results:

2010: England won 35-18 in London
2010: England won 21-20 in Sydney
2010: Australia won 27-17 in Perth
2009: Australia won 18-9 in London
2008: Australia won 28-14 in London
2007: England won 12-10 in Marseille (RWC)
2006: Australia won 43-18 in Melbourne
2006: Australia won 34-3 in Sydney
2005: England won 26-16 in London
2004: Australia won 21-19 in London
2004: Australia won 51-15 in Brisbane

Prediction: Australia are given a 6, 7 or 8 point handicap with the bookmakers and I feel that is spot on. England to sneak this by 7 points in a game that may be short on tries scored.

Rugby Union betting odds

The teams:

England: 15 Alex Goode, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manu Tuilagi, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Charlie Sharples, 10 Toby Flood, 9 Danny Care, 8 Thomas Waldrom, 7 Chris Robshaw (c), 6 Tom Johnson, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Tom Palmer, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Tom Youngs, 1 Joe Marler.
Replacements: 16 David Paice, 17 David Wilson, 18 Mako Vunipola, 19 Joe Launchbury, 20 Tom Wood, 21 Ben Youngs, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Mike Brown.

Australia: 15 Berrick Barnes, 14 Digby Ioane, 13 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 12 Ben Tapuai, 11 Nick Cummins, 10 Kurtley Beale, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Nathan Sharpe (captain), 4 Sitaleki Timani, 3 Ben Alexander, 2 Tatafu Polota Nau, 1 Benn Robinson.
Replacements: 16 Stephen Moore, 17 James Slipper, 18 Sekope Kepu, 19 Radike Samo, 20 Liam Gill, 21 Brett Sheehan, 22 Mike Harris, 23 Drew Mitchell.

Date: Saturday, November 17
Kick-off: 14:30
Venue: Twickenham
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), Mathieu Raynal (France)
Television match official: Jim Yuille (Scotland)

By Adam Kyriacou
@PlanetRugbyAK

Comments

Kiwikev says...

@ rugbylover

How much have you wagered on that Dec 1 outcome or is it just your wet dream?

Posted 11:49 16th November 2012

TVaddict says...

The build up to this game reminds me of the build up to the Argentina vs Australia game earlier this year, and that doesn't bode well for England...

Posted 11:43 16th November 2012

froggy73 says...

@Rosbif: re your last question: in case of a win from England over Australia and a win of France against Argentina (both big IF), I would have thought Australia would become 5th hence no England to leapfrog France. Am I wrong ?

Posted 11:01 16th November 2012

rugbylover says...

Adam, ".......If wishes were horses........." but I fear that Oz will triumph.

A weakened but vengeful Oz against a pretty inexperienced England [it will be pretty dour I fear].

Then those pesky kiwis - best team in the world as Jonathan Davies says. But come 1st December my witchdoctor predicts an upset. Hmmmmm. What is it about the horses again?

Posted 10:33 16th November 2012

rugby_rockstar says...

I think England are lucky that Oz are missing key Forwards, but this is a must win match for England. A loss against a unsettled side like Australia will set up a very uncomfortable two weeks against monster forward packs. SA will pummel our defense remorslessly and the ease that Fiji crossed our line troubles me. NZ will look to win the breakdown and run rings around us out wide. You let the best support players in the world get behind you and you will be skewered. If we can't handle Australia then its time to stick the tin hat on and leg it to the bomb shelter, cos the serious stuff is yet to come. England need to front up and cause Australia some serious grief.

Posted 10:01 16th November 2012

Rosbif says...

Deans could get on the phone to Noves and Mourad and, hey presto, he'd have a back-line of 9 Burgess, 10 Barnes, 12 Gits, 13 AAC, 15 Beale, wingers as you like. That's a totally different attacking team, with 3 guys happy to play first receiver and finishers out wide. Imagine the extra impact if Deans also offered his resignation while handing out the jerseys....."go out and play lads, it's not about me anymore...."

Also, don't under-estimate the impact a tight head prop and an abrasive lock can have on a forward pack. And Moore, Samo and Gill are no slouches on the bench either.

So, Wallabies to bounce-back against the perfidious Albion?

Or England to grind out a forward-orientated win?

Can't wait to find out.....

(P.S. will a French ref really want to see England leapfrog France back to 4th spot?...... just saying..... )

Posted 09:53 16th November 2012

ArmchairGeneral says...

Bigbigb: you could take your argument further and say the ABs are only the best because they don't have to play the ABs whereas Oz do. So Oz are actually the best in the world. But that would be daft. Actually I do agree with you. Also Oz never has 2 bad games.

Posted 09:02 16th November 2012

froggy73 says...

As a fairly neutral watcher for this game (although I admit the over-confidence of the SH in general and the Aussies in particular is getting on my nerves slightly), I see England winning at Twickenham. Australia cannot afford to have their scrum hammered once more, but I feel it will happen again. In any case, good luck for both teams. Hopefully this should be an exciting game !

Posted 08:52 16th November 2012

Propmelsey says...

PR have England to win by 7 points ........ It will be a much great margin than that .... Get ya English pounds and Aussie funny money on England by 21-25 points at 11-1 ... Money in the bank!! x

Posted 08:25 16th November 2012

startledwombat says...

I'll go with the current world rankings. Australia are now showing the composure and self-belief to match it with the best in the world, and they have the annoying (to their opponents) knack generally of being about 3 points better than the opposition on the day, no matter who their opposition is.

Posted 08:21 16th November 2012

chancer says...

Trinats2 :- Nothing is as loud as an Australian clapping himself on the back.

Why not comment on the rugby instead of this rubbish that you come out with,

Posted 07:59 16th November 2012

JamieTheProp says...

This is a very interesting game. Australia are missing players and, even at full strength, aren't the power they once were.

On the other hand it is also a young England team, missing a few key players (Corbs, Ashton, Lawes, Foden etc.) and coming off the back on 9 years of wasted talent, mis-management and stagnation.

I think the difference could be that England have taken a pragmatic approach to rebuilding - get the defence sorted, set piece sorted and building a platform from the forwards back (working to our strength).

I think Australia, being a SH team with the expectations of the style of rugby that brings, simply couldn't do that. Especially as, for a decade, they have had a powder-puff scrummage.

Any England fan who takes Australia lightly (especially when they are playing England) has no idea what Rugby Union is all about. This might be a weaker than usual Australia side but this isn't (yet?) the best England side we have seen either.

I think it will be a cagey first 15 minutes while the teams work each other out and then a tight game after! Let's not get carried away - a tight win and tactical game would be great - a progression but narrow loss wouldn't be a disaster!

I'm still hoping that the ref insists on the scrum staying up and the team going forward getting the penalty if it drops. That way, whatever the score, I'll get to see England win the scrum (and as an old prop that'll do for me).

Posted 07:54 16th November 2012

nzmaoriboy says...

@hayj05- Fair call mate! I may have been harsh with regards to Deans!..he had that settling out period with this term for the first 3 years where he introduced a lot of new young faces to the OZ set up Beale,Ioane,cooper,Genia,Pocock, o connor! everything was looking up...& now 3 years later albeit with a few injuries the team appears to be worse off! many uncontrolled factors have accentuated the problems I still think he is a good coach..but the simple truth is this team needs change.I think of the All blacks and how every new player just fits seem-lessly into its culture and systems! I don't get that same feel of the Wallabies..they seem to have this knack of having chaps whom have their "micky-mouser" moments every o often! Probably systemic of their rugby system as a whole.

@LondonWasp:"your last two lines say a lot about you" that is such a dead right observation mate! ha ha.

Campese might just make my greatest team ever! pushing it by being the best though...

Posted 07:44 16th November 2012

Tyler_Durden says...

Spouting this off, while have a monumental whinge "que the whinging Kiwis" does smell a little of hypocrisy. No?

Posted 07:35 16th November 2012

PontySurrey says...

If England have ideas of being a world power again then surely they have to comfortably beat this weakened Aussie team?

Posted 07:14 16th November 2012

bigb6969 says...

LOL, this is Deans 5th season, he won a Tri Nations in 2011, which was 1 more than the previous 5 years. Finished 3rd in the RWC, which is further than they went in 2007, before he took over. And he ruined Australian Rugby, more like he couldn't save it. Was not this French win the first after 5 straight beatings from Australia ?

Is it his fault they have to play NZ more than anyone else, that was John O'Neil's doing I think. Take NZ out of the equation and I think we will find his record is the 2nd best of all countries over the last 5 years. (I did a table of results since 1 Jan 2000, and Australia success rate it 71% with the All Blacks, only 60% when you put the ABs into the mix. I don't have my stuff on me as I am away from home, but I would be sure than the last 5 years would be the same story. Others % all go up of course, but not as much because they play NZ less)

I would have to back England to take this one though.

Posted 05:21 16th November 2012

hellovanite says...

Aussie's bless em... Love to dish it out, but can't take a bar of it back though. Maybe it is Deans time to go I dunno probably, but JC have they considered the possibility that right now they're just out of decent players

Posted 05:02 16th November 2012

Terry_English says...

England by 10!

However, I am a little worried. Everytime that Australia look beaten they produce a performance that saves Robbie Dean's job.

This is the match of November Internationals and I can't wait!

Posted 04:32 16th November 2012

BillyMutt2 says...

That said, I actually think Australia will win this weekend - they have a habit of stepping up at crunch time regardless of their circumstances.

This won't be easy for England by any stretch of the imagination. Australia by 6.

Posted 02:48 16th November 2012

BillyMutt2 says...

@Trinats, you may have a point about Robbie Deans not being the right coach for Australia, but I won't get into that debate.

However - Campese the "worlds greatest player"? In his/your dreams maybe - I watched him play throughout his career and he was an outstanding, even great winger at his peak, but also bloody awful at times.

In his era I'd maybe give him "most entertaining" or "most outspoken", but world's greatest? Not likely.

Posted 02:45 16th November 2012

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