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24th January 2013 15:36

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Loose forward leaders
By Richard Clifton

Is it just me who's noticed that the captain for each of the Six Nations teams is a forward this year? Not only that, but five of the six are back-row forwards. And I'm sure if push came to shove, Pascal Papé would be happy to slide back from second row (which lock wouldn't? - I'm sure all second rows have aspirations of being-back row heroes).

I'm beginning to wonder if this is a trend now in our modern, professional era. Can it be because the loose forward is most likely to be closest to the action and right in the thick of it? I suspect as much. In days gone by, it was usually the fly-half who was the general, directing play from the safety of his position behind the firing line and politely discussing decisions that the referee had made. All jolly nice. Nowadays though, coaches seem to prefer a more pragmatic leader, a grunt, fighting in the trenches. We've even had a few front-row forwards as captain, Phil Kearns & Sean Fitzpatrick to name just two. However, I can't seem to recall any props. Sorry props, please correct me if you can. I suspect the coal-face isn't the place to call the shots from.

It seems obvious to me that the players who are most likely to give penalties away are the forwards. They're in the thick of it and involved in all the set pieces and nearly all of the rucks and mauls. Now, to me, it appears that these places are where most of the penalties are given away. Anyone disagree? If you make a forward your captain, will this influence the decision of the referee and have a bearing on the penalty count?

It's not only the Six Nations sides either who employ a piano-shifter as a captain. Who can ignore New Zealand - captained by the magnificent Richie McCaw! Until his recent sabbatical, the All Blacks have had a breakaway as skipper for ages. But who steps up to the plate to fill his dynamic boots while McCaw takes a timely rest? None other than, fellow loosey and Number 8, Kieren Reed. I don't think anyone can doubt Reed's ability, but is he the natural replacement as captain of the best side in the world? I suspect as much. What better place to see what's going on than from the base of the scrum, head popping up over the trench line, having a peek a what's happening on the battle field.

Jamie Heaslip and Sergio Parisse both command from the 8-slot at the back of the scrum and I seem to recall that Warburton, Robshaw and Brown have all packed down at 8 for club, if not country. So is Number 8 the ideal position to captain a side from? I think it might well be.

Let's look at some more back-row forwards. If Pascal Pape was not skippering Les Blues, then it would be Thierry Dusautoir... hmmm... another flanker. And not to be forgotten, are Ryan Jones and Michael Owen, both versatile, past Welsh captains. I'm sure in Sam Warburton's absence, the skipper's armband would return to Ryan Jones. Anyone else? Lewis Moody - if ever there was a man likely to be the subject of the referee's wrath, it was old Mad Dog himself. But make him your captain and watch the rub of the green change. Dallaglio. He played across all three back-row positions for country and skippered on numerous occasions. But, we have to come back to the great Richie McCaw. Was there ever a man who lived at the firing line, causing referees to pause or re-think their decisions? The man was so on the edge that the offside line seemed to move in his favour most of the time. How many times have referees decided to caution rather than penalise the softly-spoken man? What a man, though! Best of luck with the rehab, mate.

However, we mustn't forget the odd one out. Poor old Pascal Papé. The only second row of our Six Nations mix, stuck in the boiler room. But he shouldn't worry, because there once was another second row forward who captained his country. Who remembers when Martin Johnson was made captain of England? Genius! Pick the biggest, ugliest bloke to tower over the ref saying, "me, Sir?" That's exactly what the Lions management decided back in '97 when Johnson was chosen to skipper the famous touring side, even before being picked to captain his own country. Only then, it was the opposition skipper he was required to tower over (and thus intimidate) at the coin toss before coming out onto the field, not the ref this time (although I'm sure that point was not lost either).

But, enough of those second-row titans, I digress. Picking an open-side wing forward as the team representative is like choosing the naughty boy in the class to talk to teacher. But everyone seems to be at it. Is it because the ref is less likely to penalise the captain? Again, I think it is, and I'm going to stick my neck out again by saying it's the open-side flanker who's most likely to get pinged during a game (I know I usually did). So by choosing a forward to captain your side, is it a positional move, or an attempt to influence the penalty count? And if all sides have a forward as skipper, will that affect the game? I wonder what our better halves have to say.

Come on backs, get involved - your country needs you!

Comments

jamesliveinhope says...

Didn't David Sole captain Scotland?

Posted 10:17 29th January 2013

jamesliveinhope says...

All World Cup winners since the game went open have had forwards as captain.

Pienaar, Eales, Johnson, Smit, McCAw which I think is telling - the issue I believe is the need to have a man on the spot when discussion is needed with the ref (generally at set piece and breakdown).

I am not sure that the argument that a player must be on the park for the full 80 is as relevant at international level where many of the players are perfectly adequate deputies often with the captaincy at their club. As long as everyone knows who takes over and they are both singing from the same hymnsheet a change should be seamless.

Posted 09:22 29th January 2013

cuw3100 says...

There have been some great backs - centers - who have captained their country with distinction.

Tana Umaga NZ

Will Carling Eng

Mike Tindall Eng

Tim Horan Aus

Jason Little Aus

Jean de Villiers SA

Also guys like Mills Muliaina and Mike Catt captained from full back.

One famous name who never captained his country is ZINZAN BROOKE, considered an all time great at No 8.

Also note that the presence of a great leader will deprive many others who given the chance can also be the skipper. For example RM has captained MIB for over 80 tests. Before him SF captained again for many tests. Same with Will Carling and george gregan.

In MCCaw's case , many lose forwards have also not played for NZ , though being very good . MCCAW and Jerry Collins played may be over 30 tests together !!

Posted 07:53 28th January 2013

jontheref says...

For Wales there have been at least three props who have captained wales.

Dai Young

Gethin Jenkins

Scott Gibbs :-)

Numerous hookers.

It does looklike backrow is a favoured position for captain.

Posted 10:44 27th January 2013

quietbrit says...

Captains need to be (ideally all of) the following:

1) Nailed on starter

2) Playing the full 80 mins

3) Command teams respect

4) Able to make the right calls

5) Able to communicate with Ref (and being close enough to him helps a bit)

IMO a crop of exceptional loose forwards has distorted the debate... Just looking at the 6N - Where are the men being passed over for the captaincy? As for the posed advantage from the ref just ask Sam Warburton whether the captains armband protects you from official censure!

Posted 21:33 25th January 2013

ferdie says...

yes I know Schwalger is a hooker (prev post)

Posted 06:31 25th January 2013

ferdie says...

One factor against a front rower being captain now is the use of subs - a prop/hooker more likely be subbed off for fresh legs as compared to a loose forward. Been a few props as captains in Super Rugby, and John Smit for SA till retirement; more recently Mahonri Schwalger captained Samoa, and Deacon Manu captained Fiji.

Posted 06:30 25th January 2013

Stellenbosched2 says...

Hi ravenhill_proms

I think you have said all there is to say on this subject.

Hi Richard Clifton

Interesting letter. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to highlight the fact that you are only talking about six nations rugby here (other than a reference to NZ). Didn't Argentina have a prop as captain at some stage? Anyway, I know of one Springbok captain who played prop- Hannes Marais. He captained the side from 1971 to 1974.

Posted 04:54 25th January 2013

Isograford says...

Kieran Read, with an A. At least get his name right.

Posted 01:51 25th January 2013

Derrynane says...

99call - Good call on Howlett.

In recent Rabo game with Cardiff, a Muster scrum collapsed close to the Cardiff line on left hand side of pitch. From the bottom of the TV picture you could see Dougie trying to get over to the scrum to make a point to Nigel Owens. When he was only halfway there the scrum had re-formed and you could see him back tracking off the bottom of the screen.

IMO the logical choice for Muster captain is James Coughlan; fantastic player, leads by deeds. I see that the Irish management have chosen him as captain of the Wolfhounds for tomorrow's game. This in a team with Andrew Trimble who has 49 caps. Do the Irish management know something that the Munster management does not?

Posted 20:47 24th January 2013

slowflanker says...

Re props: David Sole captained Scotland from loosehead prop 25 times.

Posted 19:55 24th January 2013

ravenhill_proms says...

Thought this was widely known. Loose forwards get most yellow cards. Refs don't tend to send off captains. Doesn't take much more figuring out.

Posted 18:42 24th January 2013

lawynd says...

@99call - it's one of the reasons I was surprised when Geordan Murphy was named captain at Leicester. He's the most senior player and obviously very well respected, but I always think he's too far from the action to really be an effective leader, playing at 15 as he does. That said, with Newby retiring I'm not sure who would be a more suitable replacement...

Posted 18:38 24th January 2013

TVaddict says...

Phil Vickery captained England.

Posted 17:35 24th January 2013

99call says...

Your point is fair that many coaches pick a captain who is going to be in the thick of things, from my own countries view point, Ireland, our last 3 captains and plus 2 stand ins being Woody, Bod, Heaslip and Best and POC have all been in the thick of things with BOD being the only back in the bunch but he was still always in the thick of it.

I do think the captain needs to be at the breakdown of play and let the ref know his thoughts, some more than others but it doesnt necessarily need to be a forward anyone from 1 to 13 is fine in my view just dont think back 3 players as they are not involved enough to do the job.

A prime example of this is Doug Howlett at munster, no one questions his experience and knowledge to be the munster captain but it becomes comical waiting for him to run in from the wing to decide on a kick for goal or get his point across to the ref, many times by the time he has got to the ref the play is ready to move on and he has to run back to his position.

The great captains do not need to be a forward but they need to lead by example and take the game to the oppo so this quite often a big lad up front but there have been exceptions to this rule BOD being the most recent and high profile but the one thing you could be sure he would still take it to the oppo and the boys would follow him which is what being a captain is all about

Posted 16:31 24th January 2013

fozza says...

I can only think of Jason Leanord who captained England and the Lions midweek side on a couple of occasions... Otherwise... Nope... Drawing a blank.

Posted 16:31 24th January 2013

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