APV1 says...

@ BokAvenger - stop being so antagonistic and have a little mayo with that chip on your shoulder. I've never suggested that the UK is perfect - far from it. I'll quote myself: "...we also have our fair-share of idiots - be they racists or otherwise." So stop being such a prat and accept that fact that we don't all have to agree with each other all the time.

You'll also have to excuse me whilst I accept the truth, rather than your version of the casue of the riots, "...the London riots last year, which were sparked by a case of racism from the cops," Just because they weren't white, doesn't mean racism was involved. However, I'll let you be for now, as I suspect another member of your household might want the family brain cell back for the weekend.

It's good to know that we do share some common ground, however. Richie's work at the breakdown (not exclusively at the bottom of a ruck) is incredible! His work would make even David Copperfield jealous. Eh, Ramage & ruckingkiwi..!? ;-)

@ justice_4_all - I didn't realise the Poms and Paddies were touring Twickenham. I heard we were off to SA and the Irish were off to some back-water called New Zealand. They couldn't even go to the original Zealand and had to find a New one!

And I take it from your IRB Rankings comment that you're also expecting England to be in 2nd, with Wales 3rd, Aus 4th and the Saffas somewhere between Madagascar and Andorra, once the tours have finished..?

;-)

I'd like to name-drop just a little too. I once (when I was about 9) served afternoon tea to the late (great!) Bob Holness - the original James Bond. I have many other claims too, some which would easily top-trump ruckingkiwi's efforts thus far as well. But as legends go, Bob Holness literally took a biscuit (from me).

Posted 10:59 27th April 2012

Sasquatch says...

Hey all you Kiwi's, please explain why if the word "coconut" is so offensive you can buy a t-shirt from arcrugby that says "Coconut cohort" on it?

http://www.arcrugby.co.nz/

Posted 10:22 27th April 2012

BokAvenger says...

@ruckingkiwi - yeah, let's chat later mate. Maybe in a few weeks time when you've managed to think up a retort

Posted 08:03 27th April 2012

BokAvenger says...

@Sasquatch - you are clearly a clown. Phil Kearns is an absolute LEGEND in the commentary box and I think Marto and Rod Kafer are pretty cool too. Okay they're a bit one eyed but they've got some classic chirps and I just love them. And that from a Saffa. But criticizing Blades is just complete sacrilege. You are now public enemy number 2 in SA behind Bryce Lawrence.

Posted 20:18 26th April 2012

Sasquatch says...

@Ramage:

I enjoy Mexted, cannot stand Kearns. All in all I enjoy the commentators regardless of where they're from. I have to say that the worst has to be SA's Hugh Bladen.

Posted 16:59 26th April 2012

APV1 says...

@ Ramage - thank you again for your reasoned wisdom.

And for those who want to be extra careful and join me in my crusade of Political Correctness, it does indeed appear that our language is being restricted. I was totally unaware of many of these, even those listed as used in the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#cite_note-47

It's interesting to note that it's also a term in the UK, US, Canada, used in a similar manner to SA, not that i was aware of it...

(P.S. Gotta love the word, "ethnophaulisms" haven't you?)

Posted 14:14 26th April 2012

Ramage says...

I think many people are missing the point of what APV1 has been trying to say I just take the point which I wish to commend him on and quote, "do I find racism abhorrent? Yes." So on that point he is to be commended. What the argument has descended to is a yes it is no it isn't. There are obviously differences in interpretations as to what is racist and what isn't. In NZ the term is an insult just as a Maori calling me a honkey. Just thought Id bring in another one for educational purposes of course. I've referred to other names that are unacceptable and racist in their meaning. Skinstad made a mistake and in the heat of the moment said something that is highly offensive and considered racist in the country the player comes from. We have been told it is not considered to be racist in the country the commentator comes from which just goes to show how careful the commentators have to be when their broadcasts are beamed into other countries. The onus is on the broadcaster to be professional and whether Skinstad knew about this term, which in mho he did, it still behoves that commentator to be professional. I'm sure that is all that needs to be asked. I would hope that should a NZ commentator make such a comment I would not don my armour mount my trusty steed and come riding to his defence just because he is a kiwi. After all we did, unfortunately, give the world Murray Mexted as a commentator and it makes me hang my head in shame. It only goes to show past players do not always make good commentators. Mexted, Moore, Barnes, Kearns, Martin and now Skinstad. Althought to be fair I dont really rank him as bad as the others in that line up. What a mighty response Richard Anderson, well done you certainly have got the keyboards ringing.

Posted 11:20 26th April 2012

Storm says...

@Ramage - appreciate your honest response.

I grew up on the streets and playgrounds of Otara in the 60's and 70's. Nothing but great memories with an absence of any racism.

Labels can define who you are if that is what you believe.

Posted 10:54 26th April 2012

BokAvenger says...

@Ripzy007 - you are as ignorant as your mate APV1. But then again I should probably sympathise with you lot who come from bland places like the UK and Australia where life is so spectacularly monochrome that you have trouble dealing with anything more socially complex than an episode of Neighbours. Quick...run and report this to the PC police...you wouldn't want anyone out there actually thinking for themselves now would you?

Posted 07:15 26th April 2012

Ripzy007 says...

@sasquatch....even your explanation is derogatory 'referring to a black person who acts like a white person'. most bok or bs supporter are defensive with this issue merely becoz you are trying to stamp out the act from your conscious....

Posted 20:18 25th April 2012