Crucial try: Benjamin de Jager
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Ospreys needed an 80th minute-penalty to claim a 26-26 draw against a spirited Treviso side in an enthralling encounter at Stadio Comunale di Monigo on Saturday.
Replacement fly-half Matthew Morgan split the uprights from long range to deny Treviso an historic Heineken Cup victory in the last minute.
Off the base of a massive effort from their impressive forward pack, Treviso outscored the Welsh side three tries to two.
Ospreys led 10-9 at half time as the Italian club went toe-to-toe with their more fancied visitors. But second-half tries from Michele Rizzo, Benjamin de Jager and Tobias Botes saw Treviso move ahead.
Ospreys have not lost to an Italian side in twelve games in European rugby and tries from Tommy Bowe and Ryan Jones helped them retain that record while Dan Biggar added 13 points with the boot.
Treviso came out of the blocks at a furious pace and took the early lead thanks to penalty from fly-half Kristopher Burton after an extended period of pressure.
Ospreys could have struck back soon afterwards but skipper Justin Tipuric spilled a pass with the tryline begging after Tommy Bowe had sliced through the home defence.
Bowe did however open the visitors' account at the end of the first quarter with a fantastic effort, breaking the line, muscling his way past a handful of defenders before stretching out an arm to score.
Biggar added the extras (after missing two penalties attempts) before trading place-kicks with his opposite number to leave Ospreys 10-6 up on the half-hour mark.
Burton made it three-from-three to close the gap to a single point with half time approaching when his kick bounced over off the upright.
Biggar sent a relatively easy drop goal attempt wide meaning the sides would head for the changing rooms at 10-9 to the Welsh side.
Ospreys were dealt yet another injury blow (Adam Jones pulled out earlier in the day) when scrum-half Kahn Fotualii hobbled off just before the break.
Treviso put their noses back in front soon after the restart however when a powerful rolling maul rumbled forward before prop Michele Rizzo crashed through the crowd to score.
Ospreys replied almost immediately when Biggar landed another three points to capitalise on an attack started by Shane Williams.
But Treviso were able to move further ahead when South African wing Benjamin de Jager beat Williams into the corner to give the hosts a a 21-13 lead.
However a line-out error gave Ospreys the chance to claw their way back into the game as Ryan Jones collected Enrico Ceccato's wayward throw and found his way through the traffic and over the whitewash.
Biggar's conversion meant that it was once again a one-point game, but to Treviso's advantage this time at 21-20.
That gap grew to six points though on the hour mark as Treviso scrum-half Tobias Botes finished off a wonderful move with a sprint down the touchline to score his side's third try.
The situation was almost literally turned on its head when Treviso centre Tommaso Benvenuti was sent to the sin bin for a tip tackle on Williams. Biggar found the target to cut Treviso's lead to just three points with fifteen minutes to play.
Treviso looked to have the game secured but Morgan landed a penalty from 51 metres out to save two points for Ospreys.
The scorers:
For Treviso:
Tries: Rizzo, De Jager, Botes
Cons: Burton
Pens: Burton 3
For Ospreys:
Tries: Bowe, R. Jones
Cons: Biggar 2
Pens: Biggar 3, Morgan
Yellow card: Benvenuti (Treviso - 62nd min -tip tackle)
Treviso: 15 Ludovico Nitoglia, 14 Benjamin de Jager, 13 Tommaso Benvenuti, 12 Alberto Sgarbi, 11 Brendan Williams, 10 Kristopher Burton, 9 Tobias Botes, 8 Robert Barbieri, 7 Alessandro Zanni, 6 Benjamin Vermaak, 5 Cornelius van Zyl, 4 Antonio Pavanello, 3 Lorenzo Cittadini, 2 Enrico Ceccato, 1 Michele Rizzo.
Replacements: 16 Franco Sbaraglini, 17 Ignacio Fernandez Rouyet, 18 Pedro di Santo, 19 Valerio Bernabo, 20 Gonzalo Padrņ, 21 Manoa Vosawai, 22 Willem de Waal, 23 Fabio Semenzato.
Ospreys: 15 Richard Fussell, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Andrew Bishop, 12 Ashley Beck, 11 Shane Williams, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Kahn Fotualii, 8 Jonathan Thomas, 7 Justin Tipuric (c), 6 George Stowers, 5 Ian Evans, 4 Ryan Jones, 3 Aaron Jarvis, 2 Richard Hibbard, 1 Duncan Jones.
Replacements: 16 Mefin Davies, 17 Ryan Bevington, 18 Cai Griffiths, 19 Ian Gough, 20 Joe Bearman, 21 Rhys Webb, 22 Matthew Morgan , 23 Tom Isaacs.
Venue: Stadio Comunale di Monigo
Referee: Pascal Gauzere (France)
Comments
makemehappy says...
@7ton
Thank god for that! I agree with all your sentiments.
Merry xmas to you too.
Posted 13:13 13th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
I absolutely agree with your comment
"I believe that we are actually adults who can express our opinions and debate the great game of rugby on here"
That is without any childish name calling or just telling people to finish it because I'm right and you're wrong so vanish and don't dare to respond.
On that basis I am delighted to end it.
Merry Xmas
Posted 20:50 12th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton
Dear Editor
I have asked 7ton to conclude this matter several time, but he refuses. Like him though, I do wish this to be the end.
Unlike 7ton I'm not going to complain about him, as I find that very childish. I believe that we are actually adults who can express our opinions and debate the great game of rugby on here. I will make a complaint if the matter is taking further however.
I trust this ends this matter and we can all move on!
Thanks
Posted 09:07 11th December 2011
7ton says...
Dear editior.
I do apologize to bother you but I am indeed very happy to move on and have suggested to do so and just agree to disagree and respect each others opinions minus the "one is right the other is wrong argument.
Makemehappy claims he does yet comes back with comments like " I agree that you are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how misguided." and
" Now make sure you just vanish and take your seriously concerning attitude and lack of rugby understanding with you."
What I really take exception to is where he says "stop being rude, stop pretending I am being insulting"
How he can say that when he has called me a pratt, a loser, depressed and insecure and on and on
He says I have insulted him because I am someone who does not get this whole matter. In others words simply because I see things diferently and have my own opinion.
He tells me to "back up or shut up" and yet later when I suggest the same he says that I am being pathetic and rude.
I have my opinion and he has his and that is fair enough but I am sorry editor can I really be expected not to respond and just vanish like he suggests when he makes comments like the above?
.
Posted 18:54 10th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - I knew you wouldn't move on, which proves my observations.
You still have not come up with any reaonable indication as to why the red card was not shown. I agree that you are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how misguided. Just keep chucking them players in the air lol!
Now please don't embarass yourself further, stop being rude, stop pretending I am being insulting, and just move on. Now please for the umpteenth time, move on.
You did ask me to move on, and I agreed. Now make sure you just vanish and take your seriously concerning attitude and lack of rugby understanding with you.
The editor says.... @makemehappy and @7ton : That's ENOUGH!
Posted 18:52 09th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy.
So it's not a contradiction simply because you say it's not and saying both situations are red doesn't explain it either. So he does them both at the same time aye. Ha Ha Ha. How amazing. You can't explain that but just come up with more of your insults.
I ask you to explain or shut up and you accuse me of being rude after all the childish insults you have hurled at me. What a hypocrite.
As for keeping coming back does it ever enter your mind that you might the one who keeps coming back especialy seeing that I never addressed you with my first comment in this article to start with. But you seem to think you have the right to respond to people and declare how right you are but they cannot respond to you back. Not to mention being rude to people with insults and getting angry if they disagree and then jump on your high horse if they simply ask you to explain or shut up. Really! who has a problem here. Who exactly do you think you are.
Now it's obvious we are never going to agree on this incident and it can be ended quite simply.
Re the opportunity I repeat.
I respect that you have your particular view and opinion on this incident and are rightly entitled to do so.
Now all you need to do is say the same for me without adding any of your descriptions or slants on what happened or what I am saying or personal insults.
That then doesn't mean to say that one is right and one is wrong it is just politely agreeing to disagree like I suggested ages ago but you came back with one of your slants.
Posted 11:00 09th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - that is pathetic and rude. I have already confirmed that they are not contradictory. Someone chucks some towards the ground whilst holding onto their ankles - result - very dangerous tackle. Someone dangles someone by their ankles, and drops them - result - very dangerous tackle.
You just do not get this at all do you. You are trying to contort words, but are failing miserably at justifying this or your argument.
As for the put up or shut up comments - what a joke. Do you have any personal problems you need help with, as I get the feeling you are a very insecure individial who likes being rude to people, and seeks to try and find minute faults when there are much bigger issues being discussed.
It is very common with people with depression or those who are insecure to do this. Since you are obviously doing this (and your actions demonstrate this to anyone), then perhaps you need help.
I would again like to thank you for continuing to comment when I have asked you (and I thought agreed to stop). All you needed to do was keep quite, but you couldn't could you. I know you will post again and demonstrate further problems with your attitude, It is just so obvious!
As for giving me the opportunity? What are you on about. I was the one who agreed to move on. You just keep on coming back, after I confirm that twisting someone in the air and dropping them without control to the floor is only a yellow card offence. You are a funny guy in some ways. Sadly laughing at you!
Now please move on. Please enjoy this weekend's rugby, and please just remember that you CANNOT simply lose control of someone in a tackle, several feet off the ground, and expect anything other than a red. Dropping them from a foot or so, as part of a follow through probably is OK. Now move on please, and respect my request to do so.
Posted 20:58 08th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
You just can't do it can you. I gave you the opportunity.
Now re contradictions.
First you say "chucking someone to the ground while trying to hold on to their ankles" and then you say "dangling someone by their ankles and dropping them" which just contradicts yourself.
Answer that or shut up
Posted 19:51 08th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - thanks for not replying as requested. No contradictions by me. Maybe a case of you misunderstanding. You seem to be trying to find contradictions that don't exist - bit like me saying "there's a million people over there" and you saying "no there's 999999". Time to move onto to the next HC installment!
Like you I thought he was bloody daft doing that dive - what an end to a career that could have been!
Posted 12:44 08th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
You say "by saying that you (me) are happy that holding onto someone's ankles is safe when in mid air."
Yet again you are just trying to put words in my mouth with that statement.
These scenarios you are on about are your take on how you saw them NOT HOW I SAW THEM Try to understand that. They contradict themselves as you have come up with different versions of them which doesn't give them much credibility.
Yes we certainly should agree to close this matter and that can be done very simply.
I respect that you have your particular view and opinion on this incident and are rightly entitled to do so.
Now all you need to do is do the same for me without adding any of your descriptions or slants on what happened or what I am saying or personal insults.
Then we can just get on with something else.
BTW Shame Wales didn't win Saturday but it was a great final try by Shane Williams. I was very worried though that he would do himself a serious injury when he done that little flip through the air whilst scoring.
Hey! Okay I'm only joking lol!
Posted 22:34 07th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - you are misreading just about everything! I have indicated only one was red with the two different incidents. What I indicated was that both scenarios you highlighted were reds.
I don't need to explain matters again, as it is hard to believe you don't understand.
Lets just agree to close this matter (as I have suggested time and time again), by saying that you are happy that holding onto someone's ankles is safe when in mid air. I think it is very dangerous (at best) and should result in a red. That is the end of the matter! So please stop pretending that I am contradicting myself, when you are just misreading everything.
I trust that you will have the respect and decency not to reply again. That would be insulting!
Posted 13:18 07th December 2011
7ton says...
Makemehappy
You're feel insulted by someone who doesn't agree with your opinion? That is a serious problem
Again answer the Question. Where have I said one tackle was particularly worse than the other? You now say that I want to distinguish between to very dangerous acts. I have not tried to. Read the thread again and that is what you have been doing from the very start, making a comparison with Warburton and now yet gain you are CONTRADICTING YOURSELF by saying "Both are Reds" when you have clearly indicated you believe Warburtons should have been yellow.
Your words posted 16.08 19November "Now that referees is a red card - not the Warburton type tackle!"
Your words posted 17.37 21 November @Carlepone - "I do agree the Warburton one wasn't a red."
Now there is plenty more and I could go back to your posts after the Wales/France game if you like
Can you explain your contradiction with the red cards and your previous contradiction with your description of the tackle.
Again I do not agree with your descriptions they contradict each other and IMO he made an attempt to hold on to him.
Posted 10:23 07th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - I shold have added that you just don't get this. You want to distinguish between two very dangerous acts. What is the point of that? Both are reds! Also, I can see both are compatible. Have a think about it, and if you can't work out why, it really is time to move on.
As for the insults. I am insulted by someone who just doesn't get this whole matter!
Posted 19:01 06th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - ok - I'm trying to keep this simple for you. You are saying that the tackle was just a yellow. You have indicated that apparently this is fine as he tried to keep hold of him. I've indicated that isn't relevant, and the tackle was a very dangerous one. Now I trust that you can actually agree with that, and that you stop agruing about this matter. So lets stop talking about this clear red card tackle - you cant chuch someone vertically downwards and not have a red!
Posted 14:02 06th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
You've really confused yourself now
Where have I said that one tackle was particulary worse than the other? Please do tell me?
You're the one who is saying one was the "spear tackle of the year" while the other was "a tackle that went slightly wrong" Is that not true?
Now if you really want to be left alone then stop misquoting people and resorting to very childish insults when they have a different opinion to yours.
In response to your one last point with I have already answered it a couple of times, that is' IMO it appeared that the player made some attempt to hold on to SW.
Not only that but your question is just loaded with your own slant on how you saw the incident and as I have already pointed out it actualy contradicts what you have also said.
First you say "chucking someone to the ground while trying to hold on to their ankles" and then you say "dangling someone by their ankles and dropping them"
If you wish to argue further please explain that? along with my above question.
Or are you just going to come up with some more meaningless insults
Posted 12:05 06th December 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - I can answer the questions, as you know. You obviously cant give up on this though (I do pity you). You just keep on loving those people who toss people on their heads, and keep on thinking that a tackle that went slightly wrong is worse. Dream on - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Now show me what you are made of and just get on with life, and leave me alone. Im fed up of leading a wally!
As for insults - Ive not been insulting you - just pointing out that you cant answer the questions Ive put to you. Shame - sounds like a loser to me!
One last point to make you think (and I have stated it several times) - is how does chucking someone on their head, and holding onto their ankles not result in a red? You havent been able to answer that, because you can't, and you know that that is the be all and end all of the matter. Checkmate!
Posted 21:07 05th December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
You can't answer the questions can you but just insult people who disagree and keep on deluding yourself. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Posted 12:18 05th December 2011
makemehappy says...
Wow - that was a meaningless rant by you. I do appreciate you following me though. You cant help it can you? Serious injury-nowhere near -you must be mad to think so.
I wont bother answering all the other stupid questions, as you know the answers mr ref lover.
Now go watch a game of touch rugby! Now please lets just move on - sadly you couldnt earlier.
Shame you dont like rugby or watch much like me. It is a good game you know - just the odd pratt who thinks they know it all. Move on mr tip tackle fan.
Posted 14:28 03rd December 2011
7ton says...
makemehappy
re your first point. Yet again you put your own slant on what you think happened and try to impose it on my opinion.
re your last point. Take a good look at the picture on this page and tell me the guy in blue did not come close to a serious injury. http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3557_7244717,00.html.
do tell me what part of the body he is landing on?
How is the one far more dangerous than the other?
No answer from you re your contradiction re the ankles.
Re your earlier rant which has to be the most ridiculous and pathetic of them all when you say.
. "So funny seeing someone relying just on the refs decision all the time. Very sad too mind you. Shame some people have to just agree with those in power. Shows no conceptualisation at all. Some of us are leaders, others are followers"
Since when have I always agreed with the ref?
Can someone not actualy agree with the ref now and again?
So you think you are a leader do you?
Well I certainly wouldn't follow you anywhere but I will express my opinion.
Posted 21:20 30th November 2011
makemehappy says...
@7ton - welcome my follower!
You are entitled to an opinion of course, and I fully support the right for some to think that almost landing someone on their head from a good height is not a red. I also support your right to think that dropping someone in a much less reckless manner, and from less of a height is a lesser offence.
Frankly I'd prefer to be hit by the Warburton tackle. You would prefer to be dropped on your head, and to pray that Bishop catches you. There is no need to comment further. You just need a lot more luck in life than me, if that is your opinion of risk.
I have never suggested it was a legal tackle. I have clearly indicated that referees have gone way over the top on focusing on this area. I have also pointed out that if something would not have been a foul 20 years ago, it probably shouldn't be a red card now. Accidently dropping someone occurs, and is part of the game. Hanging on to someone's ankles after twisting them around and flipping them in the air never has been part of the game in my book.
Time to call this a day I think, as you clearly believe that the more dangerous tackle is offset by hanging onto someone's ankles. That just doesn't wash with me, but you are indeed entitled to your own opinion. I know who came closest to having a very nasty injury, and it wasn't someone in a blue shirt!
Let's enjoy a debate elsewhere sometime.
Posted 17:23 30th November 2011