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Heh, I don't disagree with any of your points - guess we were just coming at the same thing from different sides! Yes, I'd much rather see teams playing in front of a full house each week and to be honest, that's more likely with teams like Cornish Pirates and Exeter than it is with Leeds and Newcastle. Leeds is a league city and always will be (not to mention the football club) and most Geordies are football fans.
Posted 13:10 18th July 2012
lawynd- You miss the point mate. Im not against moving big games to big venues, but thats a completely different thing. What we're talking about here is a clubs nominated home ground. Yes i know Sarries don't have a ground right now but for years they,ve played at Vicarage road which is not there stadium and they do not have primacy of tenancy there and never have. As you say 'Neither of those issues applied to Saracens - because they were already in the AP'- This is exactly my point. The RFU have put a set of rules in place but then they're hand picking the clubs that they're gonna enforce them on.
For me the whole idea of minimum stadium capacity is a mute point anyway. Bearing in mind that in recent years both Leeds and Newcastle have struggled to break the 5,000 barrier. So in other words you could have Leeds playing in front of 4,000 in an 18,000 capacity stadium, or you could have LW, Cornish Pirates etc playing in front of 6,000 in a 6,000 stadium (with plans to either expand or rebuild). To me it looks better to see full stadiums, not clubs being forced to expand their grounds to a certain size when they'll never fill it.
Posted 21:14 16th July 2012
@kybone - PR's issue with London Welsh was to do with their own ground not being up to snuff and this 'primacy of tenure' rubbish that was recently thrown out as unenforceable. Neither of those issues applied to Saracens - because they were already in the AP and because their situation is not the same. Their Vicarage Road base met the existing criteria and one-off games at larger stadia are, as far as I'm aware, not against any rules laid down as long as the opposition agree to the change in venue; Munster and Leinster have switched games to Lansdowne Road, Leicester have played at the Walker's Stadium, etc. so there's plenty of history of that sort of move. The only thing different this season is that their new ground isn't finished, but when it is they will satisfy all the criteria they need to; TL:DR is that they're making improvements so some accomodation is given.
Posted 15:56 16th July 2012
Waz4before- Actually mate I agree. The point i was making was that as far as the RFU and Premiere Rugby were concerned it was against the rules for LW to use any stadium other than their own, regardless of where it is. Yet Sarries have announced that they'll play games at several different stadiums and this doesn't even appear to have registered with the RFU or PR. You're right about the fans. As a Doncaster fan id be disgusted if my club moved to another town , especially if it was 50/60 miles. In fact id probably stop supporting them. What i don't understand with LW is why they chose Oxford to move to, as it became known during promotion fiasco, that the Crystal Palace chairman was quite happy to offer them Selhurst Park as a home venue. This would have been a move of probably less than 10 miles. They obviously never even explored the option. Maybe they're hoping to take advantage of an untapped resource in Oxford.
Posted 09:09 15th July 2012
I don't often defend Saracens, but this is mainly because they haven't finished their new home yet, it's hardly a fair comparison.
Posted 09:36 14th July 2012
Nothing wrong with this kybone - sarries are following the same model as used by many Australian Rules sides, a small home stadium and moving the big games to the bigger stadiums. Smart move. and they are at least STILL IN LONDON ... Well, maybe not for two games :-)
Welsh are different - had Doncaster won the Championship and them uped sticks and moved to Sheffield it would have been an outrage. By comparison Doncaster have been investing in their Ground while Welsh invested in players and fluked a play-off win, then left town altogether, who's standing up or the traditional Welsh supporters? Not theri moneybags chairman that's for sure! Hopefully welsh go straight back down and do the Rugby world a favor by going bust in the process ....
Posted 09:15 14th July 2012
And this is ok but London Welsh want to play at the same venue all season and have to fight tooth and nail just because the stadium doesn't belong to them. Makes perfect sense.
Posted 19:30 13th July 2012