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I understand it's about employment contracts, but do you really think the club would have acted arbitrary to the contract. Obviously there were conditions that were not met in the opinion of the club and based on advice that they opted out, its for arbitration now. As far as the players ability goes shepherd was actually not bad more than a few years back now, but his day is probably been and gone now. I just think as an impartial observer with no club afiliated agenda saints made the right decision, for now andvthe next three years. If they had of just asked me in the begining they could have avoided all this :)
Posted 12:17 18th August 2012
I suspect that the offer of employment from Saints would be dependant on a medical examination. Additionally there would have almost certainly been a medical declaration required from the prospective employee.
As Medical Examinations are confidential, we will probably never know the real story. This has moved from being a rugby story to an employee/employer dispute. This stuff happens when changing employers.
Posted 21:48 17th August 2012
ArmchairGeneral - have you seen the contract? If not you're views, like many, are just speculation.
And to suggest swapping clubs - laughable. Maybe you should support Man Utd instead. (they play football by the way).
Posted 20:38 17th August 2012
If he has been treated unfairly, then this is the right thing to do. Can't argue with that.
@Hellovanite - you're missing the point. This is about employment and not rugby ability.
Posted 13:18 17th August 2012
Having read Saints statement they'll fight this one as they feel they are clean on this one. It seems they have kept in contact with the player and his agent (who seems to be looking for a payoff) I'm a Saints fan and could never consider 'switching' clubs. It doesn't work like that! regional rugby won't work either Leicester/Saints Bath/Gloucester, not in my lifetime!!
People will always like to have a go at us and occassionally we'll make a mistake but I think we've done nothing wrong here. A while ago some Aussie friends were saying we'd make a massive mistake buying a 'glass' player! Sometimes you can't win.
Posted 11:09 17th August 2012
Look people a club is paying x amount of $$$ for the services of said player, for a 3 year term. Obviously they had an out clause that they excercised after reviewing medical data. They do not want another player trying to make a buck at their 3 year expense. I say good on the club for making the right decision. He's played what 2 games all year. People please be serious and review all the facts
Posted 08:06 17th August 2012
APV1: he's suing out of principle. Good on him. It's just not on.
Posted 17:09 16th August 2012
Another of PRL's fuedal barons behaving however they please then. Get rid of the lot of them and give England a regional set and a quality domestic foundation upon which to build a world beating national team. Time for the unsuccessful football model to be dumped and let's follow NZ and SA's lead.
Posted 16:11 16th August 2012
Fair points. So I ask again - what's he suing for? Not why is he suing - that's because he's been treated badly. But what for. My limited knowledge of this sort of thing means that you have to sue for something. I suppose Breach of Contract, but even if he wins, he will only be awarded loss of earnings and I don't suppose there have been much.
I have no idea whether his contract was worded in such a way as to allow Saints to do this. Perhaps it was a conditional offer and the condition was them being satisfied with his current and probable fitness. I appreciate that does seem a little far-fetched, but who knows..?!
We'll have to wait and see.
Posted 15:11 16th August 2012
When i first heard this story i thought it seemed much more like Saints suddenly realised that they didn't want him, than anything else. He's still signed a deal for similar amount of money, probably. Anyway it can't be that much of a problem, when you've come all the way from Oz, to go that bit further north to Manchester.
Posted 14:17 16th August 2012
APV1 - what would happen if Man U decided that Van Persie was too injury prone and withdraw his contract? If he or Shepherd failed the medical or they had doubts because of the medical then fair enough but both these players have a history of injuries so the clubs know the score. They just might be injury free for the next x years - or not - who knows. Must be a point when a contract must be honoured by both sides or doesn't that matter anymore?
Posted 13:37 16th August 2012
APV1 can't agree with you here, mate. Regardless of how much he gets or doesn't get I think the way saints have acted here has been deplorable. 3 days before he and his family are due to leave? Sorry but the clubs out of order and whilst I'm not a fan i've always liked the saints (if that makes sense).
Posted 13:31 16th August 2012
Did Saints not end up doing the same with Joe van Niekirk?
Posted 13:15 16th August 2012
What's he suing for? He won't get much for loss of earnings, as he's got a new contract.
He will achieve a massive loss of respect, as in the UK the increasing propensity of people suing for not a lot is beginning to feel very "American". Too many ambulance chasers and people after a quick buck.
I hope he does well at Sale, but only time will tell how his ankle holds up...
Posted 11:14 16th August 2012
@Hellovanite: It is a big issue. Nothing to do with how good Sheperd is/was?
Saints seem to have messed up but it's probably an industry problem. Should check players condition before the contract not after. Even if they're legally correct, decency says check them before for sake of both parties. Only weaknesses incurred between contract and start should be considered if incurred recklessly. From the moment of contract he's a club member even if the season's not started and the pay has not started; it's a commitment if NHsaints integrity means anything. Even in business this is bad form. Very bad form in Rugby; i am ashamed of Saints on this and i am a fan. But i await to see how this pans out and Saints side of the story. I'm switching clubs if this is as it seems.
Posted 10:34 16th August 2012
Storm in a teacup... Shepard WAS a good player once upon a time about 7 years ago... um sorry western um... shiz just can't bring myself to say force, feels to much like an oxymoron
Posted 08:24 16th August 2012